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JacekGM
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I wonder about wrist bands...
I have been using one on my left hand wrist (I am a righty). I like the all-cotton type, and I have been using white color. (1) Is this 100% legal (what about if the ball is also white?) (2) Any your thoughts you have about wrist bands use in TT? The reason I like them is that my forehead sweats quite a bit, this stuff is getting in my eyes, burns, and waiting for the next 6 points to use the towel is pain in the... eyes.
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Wouldn't headbands or bandana help with the forehead sweat?
With regards to legality - might be best to stick to colors other than white, yellow or orange.
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JacekGM
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Okay, but the other colors are much less available, and I wear the band on my non-playing wrist. Is it really not allowed?
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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jrscatman
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I think it's legal, however, if someone complains the umpire or referee can rule otherwise. If they decide against you, you'll have to change or remove it. So there is a slight risk. I know a tournament player who questions things just to throw his opponent off.
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Does that tournament player ask his opponent what colour is his underwear ?
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Don't think there are any rules covering that - only things that are in the rule book!
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piligrim
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how it help agains sweat? why not on playing wrist? about color. I am using white and orange, never had problem with this I don't think there is rules regard this Edited by piligrim - 04/22/2014 at 8:30am |
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If you're worried about the color, buy them off Ebay. Headbands and wristbands are available in all sorts of colors cheaper than you can get locally.
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hookumsnivy
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I've had someone at the local club mention that the white wristband bothers them when we use a white ball. Like you, I put it on my non-playing wrist.
Only 1 person mentioned it, and I took it off shortly thereafter for the rest of the match. Nobody has ever said anything about blue ones that I normally use.
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Oh c'mon - I use bandannas and I use wristbands. Had absolutely no problems getting them in dark colors, black and blue etc. My wristbands are black-red and black with a small red/white logo, my bandannas are all black or dark blue. Examples: http://www.butterflyonline.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=7408WBP&CatId={AC4D261F-924F-459E-852E-D57D250AF55F} http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/ApparelHWbands.html http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11563192&cp=23457956.33808956&parentPage=family |
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Michael Maze commonly wore wristbands and headbands. Always blue or black I think. I would say it's common courtesy to wear colors not similar to that of the ball.
However if you were looking to see if it is dorky or not to wear them, you have a professional example in Maze.
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I use a wristband in my playing arm.
To avoid sweat goes from the arm to the hand and... to make some style. I always combine shirt and wristband with same color. Best ones in my opinion are Nike and Wilson tennis wristbands.
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There is a product called dye that can magically change the color of any clothing.
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JacekGM
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Thanks for the suggestions so far.
Some seem to indicate that I am ignorant in the area of common courtesy and also in the area of making simple online purchases (although I am grateful for the links), or even dying... well... I do prefer to purchase little items like that at a local Dicks store (where white is prevalent; I saw a black one, but that was 100% synthetic), and as for dying... when is it the last time you actually used a dye on something you wear? Really? Again, is it 100% legal or 100% illegal to wear a white wristband on the non-playing hand? Any educated answers?
Edited by JacekGM - 04/22/2014 at 8:19pm |
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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ByeByeAbout
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it's 100% legal. it's not a guess regards rick |
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GMan4911
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Legal. This is the only rule in the rule book that might apply to wristbands/headbands:
But then, there's this:
So if someone complains and the referee agrees, then you're SOL.
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JacekGM
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GMan, this is great, TY! I expected something like that. Also, I recall some top players playing matches in high level tournaments with brightly reflecting wrist watches on them, and nobody seemed to object. You nicely have addressed that "brighlly reflecting as to unsight an opponent" issue in your post. Possibly, people might have some stories of their own on the "unsighting garments" topic... Edited by JacekGM - 04/22/2014 at 9:21pm |
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Tassie52
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From the Umpire's Handbook:
So... the opponent has the right to protest, which leaves the wearer of the "other items" (in this instance, sweatband) with little option but to remove it. Regardless, from the perspective of common courtesy, why would you wear something which has the potential to be a problem? |
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ByeByeAbout
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is common courtesy important to you? |
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Edited by JacekGM - 04/23/2014 at 8:14pm |
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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JacekGM
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...to dry the forehead in between the 6 point breaks?
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Jacek,
How about these: http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12422298&view=grid http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12422300&view=grid You can get them in black, of course, unless black is too distracting... |
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JacekGM
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Yep, thank you. Why not...
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Tassie52
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My question is related to your original post:
Wearing a white wristband (or any other potentially distracting article like a metallic wristwatch) carries a risk that your opponent will protest and ask you to remove it. Is it a big risk? Probably not. But, according to the Umpire's Handbook, wearing a white wristband puts you in a vulnerable position. Having said that, it is the first part of my comment which you seem to have missed:
For me, it's in the same basket as being too lazy to serve legally or so determined to win that I challenge nets and edge balls. Why be a jerk? |
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JacekGM
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Here is my answer - and I assume you mean well... You see, you write (above) "from the perspective of common courtesy" and right after that you write "why be a jerk?". I will leave it for you to re-iterate this to yourself. I can share with you that from what I gather I am not perceived by colleagues at the club as a jerk (and they play against me when I wear the white wristband). The reason I asked the question number (1) you just cited was because of my true, genuine, and unabated interest in the legal situation around this particular problem, and/or because I, too, sometimes play against people who are clad in bright, distracting clothes, and/or wear dazzling bright wrist watches, for example (BTW, would you call Vladi Samsonov a jerk?). It does not bother me to a degree that would make me foam, but I do not appreciate that either. Also, I simply wanted to know how all that is evaluated by the existing TT laws. Therefore I asked the forum, and I got some constructive, non-aggressive answers... I hope it's okay.
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Tassie52
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JacekGM, my apologies if that came across as implying that you're a jerk. Clearly, you're not. I meant the comment to apply to those people who are jerks, who deliberately try to gain an advantage by bending the rules. Very few people are prepared to call someone for serving illegally, so some people take advantage of that in order to win a match that really has no significance. You say that you "do not appreciate" playing against people who "are clad in bright, distracting clothes, and/or wear dazzling bright wrist watches". I don't appreciate that either. All I'm saying is that I try to put myself in my opponent's position and think to myself, "If I wear this particular item of clothing does it have the potential to distract them?" If the answer is "Yes" then I avoid that item of clothing. It's about the potential, and that is the issue with the rules. The section (8.4.7) I quoted from the Umpire's Handbook begins with "If a player protests..." which leaves players having to deal with potential protests. If the rule book said, "No white anywhere on the player's body" then this wouldn't be an issue, but instead we are left to work out for ourselves, "Will this cause a problem?" Under the rules, the opponent has a perfect right to protest; we have to judge beforehand about the potential to cause problems. I'm very sorry if my contributions have come across as "aggressive". I'm just offering an opinion which no-one has to agree with. And that's entirely okay. |
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Agreed.
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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I wear a white headband in practice at our club, using both white and orange balls, and have not encountered any complaints. Maybe everyone is to polite to object. I don't wear white ones in competition, using black and blue instead. I find the white to be more absorbent than the dyed ones, so I keep quite a few on hand for competition.
I had a referee question my light grey shirt in a competition last year...and I was only watching matches at the time. He was concerned I was going to play in it and thought it was too light for matches (in his opinion). I've also worn this shirt in competition many times before without any complaints. I unfortunately had to inform him that I was already finished for the day, so I wouldn't have to change shirts. He didn't find this funny at all. No sense of humor. But he was very pleasant in the way he presented his position.
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JacekGM
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... and this is one of the reasons I was asking about "the legal situation" around this issue - what's in writing... is in writing, and can be used to clarify it for people, one way or the other. Obviously, we don't want to be disrespectful or mean to our opponents, at the same time we need to know what is allowed by TT laws and what is not.
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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