Rate those players - USATT

Topspin_Tim wrote: Can you rate those players for me? From 0.00 - 8.00  Lets say.  Red 1 0.00 - 3.40 Red 2 3.41 - 8.00 Blue 1 0.00 - 3.40 Blue 2 3.41 - 8.00 Thanks!

great upload tom...now *these* guys can play.   can't help you on the  rating from 0-8 since i don't what an 8 is...but fwiw...they're all around 2400 US...the big guy at the beginning is around 2300...and the lefty could be as high as 2600 US

i love how these guys don't cry after any missed shots....just go back to business...big guy moves extremely well for being 100 lbs overweight...

regards
rick


Edited by ByeByeAbout - 04/23/2014 at 8:44pm

berkeleydoctor wrote: i have to disagree completely.... but why even, trolls gonna troll the first two players are between 1700-2000 USATT the rest of the players are between 1900-2200 USATT not sure about this rating out of 8 thing, but if you assume 2300 is 8 and 1700 is 0 then you can extrapolate from there i guess?

these guys are *much* better than the three guys pb posted who were all around 2100.  those three guys (sorry chopper) would not stand any chance against any of the four guys just posted.

equating giving an opinion about someones rating with "trolling" can be considered hyperbole, fwiw

regards
rick


Edited by ByeByeAbout - 04/23/2014 at 9:09pm

blitzen wrote: Come on guys. Those numbers 0.00 - 8.00, etc. have nothing to do with ratings. Those are timings for the video. Those are the times when new play starts. These players look under 2000 to me, possibly 1800 - 1900.

hehe..guess i missed that part.  

by any chance did you see the video that pb posted where all the guys are 2100'ish?   look at that then watch the clip above....*worlds* apart...not even close...the 4 guys...three in particular are 200-300 pts higher than pb's vid.  

in fact...for anyone else saying that these guys are under 2000 feel free to show me just one single rally from pb's vid that comes even close to the best exchange between the latter guys..

the video doesn't tell lies.

regards
rick

2150ish, maybe a touch higher. The left-hander is perhaps 2200-2250 ish.

They all have fairly dodgy technique (left-handler not quite as bad) but they understand spin and they receive serve ok.

Without looking at what others posted and not seeing the final scores I would say the following would be their rating in the US:

Red #1: 2000
Red #2: 2400
Blue #1: 2200
Blue #2: 2300

robjkc wrote: Without looking at what others posted and not seeing the final scores I would say the following would be their rating in the US: Red #1: 2000 Red #2: 2400 Blue #1: 2200 Blue #2: 2300

i think this is very fair...even though i would add 100 pts to each of your estimations

regards
rick

blitzen wrote: Come on guys. Those numbers 0.00 - 8.00, etc. have nothing to do with ratings. Those are timings for the video. Those are the times when new play starts. These players look under 2000 to me, possibly 1800 - 2000.

 

Blue 1, 2200, Red 1 2150
Blue 2, 2200, Red 2 2200

I have a unfair advantage rating them as it says Verbandsliga and the level in Verbandsliga (at least those who have competed in the USA) ranges from 2050 to 2300 even though sometimes, stronger players who usually play in higher leagues play the lower league to help one of their teams. Verbandsliga averages generally in the 2100's with the better players exceeding 2200 and up to 2300. Those players all seem to be pretty good for Verbandsliga. This is also confirmed by a german friend of mine who used to play Verbandsliga in Germany before he moved to Florida.

The European style generally looks stronger than the more common style in the US. Europeans tend to go back more into mid distance while the dominant style in the US is closer to the table. Closer to the table is more prone to mistakes but gives the opponent less time. The mid distance style will always look more consistent and "correct" which does not necessarily mean that it is stronger. Like I said, based on many germans who played tournaments in the US, it's safe to say that the general level of Verbandslige ranges from mid to high 2000's to about 2300 with a few exceptions on top and bottom.

Edited by Pushblocker - 04/23/2014 at 11:27pm

ByeByeAbout wrote: berkeleydoctor wrote: i have to disagree completely.... but why even, trolls gonna troll the first two players are between 1700-2000 USATT the rest of the players are between 1900-2200 USATT not sure about this rating out of 8 thing, but if you assume 2300 is 8 and 1700 is 0 then you can extrapolate from there i guess? these guys are *much* better than the three guys pb posted who were all around 2100.  those three guys (sorry chopper) would not stand any chance against any of the four guys just posted. equating giving an opinion about someones rating with "trolling" can be considered hyperbole, fwiw regards rick

Being a born European and having played league in Vienna/Austria for 3 years, I can tell you that it is a lot about perception. The European style LOOKS stronger as they make less unforced errors but that's due to them playing mid distance and not close to the table..

My opponent in this game is a Czech player who used to play at a very high league in the Czech Republic before he came to the US and he is a solid 2300 level player. None of the players in the video would beat him.. He is also 3 times Florida State Champion (and current state champion).. WOW - I was really fat back then..



Edited by Pushblocker - 04/23/2014 at 11:32pm

Pushblocker wrote: The European style generally looks stronger than the more common style in the US. Europeans tend to go back more into mid distance while the dominant style in the US is closer to the table.

I like watching their matches for this reason.  I used to watch a lot of 2nd level German league matches on a German website but I can't remember the web address any longer.  If anyone knows it I'd like to watch some more.  The 2nd level players looked like they could be most any US player.

Pushblocker wrote

Being a born European and having played league in Vienna/Austria for 3 years, I can tell you that it is a lot about perception. The European style LOOKS stronger as they make less unforced errors but that's due to them playing mid distance and not close to the table..

My opponent in this game is a Czech player who used to play at a very high league in the Czech Republic before he came to the US and he is a solid 2300 level player. None of the players in the video would beat him.. He is also 3 times Florida State Champion (and current state champion).. WOW - I was really fat back then..

LUCKYLOOP wrote

That was a good match .... PB covers his 4H corner with that block a lot better than most players anticipate

LUCKYLOOP wrote: That was a good match .... PB covers his 4H corner with that block a lot better than most players anticipate

He kicked my butt in game 1 when I realized what was happening.. He was anticipating perfectly where I would put the ball and could go for the kill. All that I did was to try to be more unpredictable and make him move and force him to open up with spin instead of going for the kill shot. The moment I got him to open up instead of finishing the point, I took over control of the match. Strategically, this was one of my best matches ever..

top spin tim

post some more of these if you get the opportunity.  

thanks

regards
rick

larrytt wrote: Topspin_Tim wrote: Can you rate those players for me? From 0.00 - 8.00  Lets say.  Red 1 0.00 - 3.40 Red 2 3.41 - 8.00 Blue 1 0.00 - 3.40 Blue 2 3.41 - 8.00 Thanks! I only watched the first two players. Both are 1800-2000 maximum. They are way too soft and slow, and make way too many mistakes, for anything beyond that.  -Larry Hodges

Edited by beeray1 - 04/24/2014 at 1:40am

lol thanks for trying to reassure me. I start to think I know what I'm talking about, and somebody credible says something that makes me feel dumb.