Butterfly Jun Mizutani Super ZLC

So, to those who have tried both blades: is there a consensus that the MJ SZLC is either (1) bouncier or (2) more powerful than the SZLC or both?

The German forum members suggest that the ZJK SZLC has better control.

slevin wrote: So, to those who have tried both blades: is there a consensus that the MJ SZLC is either (1) bouncier or (2) more powerful than the SZLC or both? The German forum members suggest that the ZJK SZLC has better control.

What rubbers did the Germans say they were using ?

And yes my right hand is full of blisters.
this handle is really uncomfortable...-FL one

powerhouse wrote: High_Arc wrote: bschap wrote: apologies if this has already been covered...how does the grip compare to the original JM ZLC blade?  Same exact shape and size? yes, there is no difference w.r.t. the shape of ST handles, FL handles and blade face between the regular Mizutani ZLC and the new Mizutani SZLC. Isn't the New Mizutani SZLC blade thickness is 5.8mm vs the regular Mizutani blade thickness 5.7mm that would the handle feel a littler bigger feel?

Liulin,

bschap wrote: Liulin, How flexible does it feel?

Anyone can compare mizutani SZLC to DHS W968 or W997 ? I play with W997 and find it not so faster. ZLC Mizu made feel me like an atomic weapon... but not controllable enough. 

t64t64t64 wrote: i actually found my TBS faster than my MJ SZLC.

I was actually following this thread because of my interest with MJ SZLC but when I see this comment that " TBS is faster than JM SZLC " just could not hold my SILENCE. On this website http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/, 83 reviewers rated TBS on speed as 8.4/10 whilst 34 reviewers rated the older JM ZLC as 9.5/10 which I believe is slower than SZLC. Even Liulin said about the JM SZLC to quote " It has the speed of the Timo Boll T5000 Carbon ". Now if 19 reviewers rated the speed of the Timo Boll T5000 Carbon speed as 9.6/10, then how could TBS be faster than MJ SZLC ????
Do you think 83 users of TBS who only rated it in speed as 8.4 of 10 are all wrong and t64t64t64 is right. I think this needs more EXPLAINATION from t64t64t64 or you may be using a rocket rubber on TBS and a baby pad like rubber on JM SZLC.

Edited by limjo - 08/23/2014 at 10:52pm

I would say a large part depends on the rubbers. I have an old tag TBS with T05 and JM SZLC with T64. The TBS is indeed faster, but I know the reason. It is bought used and belong to some pro player before so it is probably boosted. Ball bounce much higher than my new T64. I actually found JM SZLC kind of slow initially, mostly because of my high expectation of its insane speed many talk about. But after a game or two it start to shine. It has great control in short game, and yet you can go up in speed and spin so effortlessly. Solid and crisp most of the time, and slight flex with right amount of vibration and feel when hitting hard. A great blade indeed.

limjo wrote: t64t64t64 wrote: i actually found my TBS faster than my MJ SZLC. I was actually following this thread because of my interest with MJ SZLC but when I see this comment that " TBS is faster than JM SZLC " just could not hold my SILENCE. On this website http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/, 83 reviewers rated TBS on speed as 8.4/10 whilst 34 reviewers rated the older JM ZLC as 9.5/10 which I believe is slower than SZLC. Even Liulin said about the JM SZLC to quote " It has the speed of the Timo Boll T5000 Carbon ". Now if 19 reviewers rated the speed of the Timo Boll T5000 Carbon speed as 9.6/10, then how could TBS be faster than MJ SZLC ???? Do you think 83 users of TBS who only rated it in speed as 8.4 of 10 are all wrong and t64t64t64 is right. I think this needs more EXPLAINATION from t64t64t64 or you may be using a rocket rubber on TBS and a baby pad like rubber on JM SZLC.

Well said! I was wondering why he would say tbs faster than mj szlc

t64t64t64 wrote: TurboZ wrote: I would say a large part depends on the rubbers. I have an old tag TBS with T05 and JM SZLC with T64. The TBS is indeed faster, but I know the reason. It is bought used and belong to some pro player before so it is probably boosted. Ball bounce much higher than my new T64. I actually found JM SZLC kind of slow initially, mostly because of my high expectation of its insane speed many talk about. But after a game or two it start to shine. It has great control in short game, and yet you can go up in speed and spin so effortlessly. Solid and crisp most of the time, and slight flex with right amount of vibration and feel when hitting hard. A great blade indeed. Spoton TurboZ, I have 3 blades,all of the them are with the same rubber. TBS,KLS,JM SZLC. Best speed i have with TBS. ( Best dwell&control with KLS. However with this jun i just feel they put the right vibrations and the right stifness. mine is 5.8mm. I dont care what some people put in tabletennisdb. 90% of these comments are bull****. The feeling of TBS is just crispier than mizutani. But mine TBS belongs to a professional player. It has no stams or whatsoever. Maybe thats the reason. why we need to argue,i havent said that mizutani is a bad blade. its quite good, im using it. Stay happy guys,dont be haters.

t64t64t64,

Thanks for your opinion why you think TBS is faster than JM SZLC. First of all I/We do not hate you, we are all bros here expressing an opinion. But we should be careful to express what we say since up and coming members are looking up at what we say.

Now since you mentioned that you are using the same rubbers on TBS & JM SZLC, I have this feeling that your TBS is not the same as the commercially sold TBS in the market. Since your TBS came from a Pro and they can customize their blade, how do you know that your wood is actually from Timo Boll T5000 carbon or other faster blades but with the handle and stamp of TBS?



Edited by limjo - 08/24/2014 at 3:48am

Did I read somewhere that it was tricky to use in the short game?  (that may have been on TTdb).  Anyone know why it might be tricky?

High_Arc wrote: bschap wrote: Did I read somewhere that it was tricky to use in the short game?  (that may have been on TTdb).  Anyone know why it might be tricky? The JM SZLC is a dynamic and fast blade. In the short game it doesn't feel as dead as an ALC blade (it is also a lot more lively in the open game). Short game behaviour is similar to the regular MJ ZLC. Many people think that this is too fast and bouncy with respect to the short game. I personally have always prefered the original MJ for serve and receive over an ALC blade for it's "better touch/ felling". The MJ SZLC is a tad faster than the regular MJ but offers even "better feeling" in my opinion. In terms of feeling, it is the nicest blade I've ever played with, but due to it's speed and dynamics it's not easy to play with it (but it is a whole lot of fun).

Be careful with blades which were owned by a pro player. They can be really different and more powerful than the commercial ones. And a heavy spirit or viscaria can be very fast. An ALC blade can seem faster also because it's more dynamic on little contacts. The ZLC mizutani is really fast when hitting harder with it, on little contact it's not as dynamic as a viscaria, I feel.

Just received my blade.

Blade feels nice and looks perfect.
Will be trying it tonight in a tournament with last seasons Tenergy 05 in 2.1 and Tenergy 64 in 1.9.

One thing that I did find was that the box say its a 5ply, while the back of the box clearly shows every layer of the MJ SZLC and there are 2 handle pieces and 7 plies.

Since I cant train alot atm, I will give a review as soon as I feel im ready to.