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LUCKYLOOP 
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where can I buy red shirt like this? :)
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Kid has problem with serving legally, needs a coach. I played with a kid about this level that was (under)rated at about 350 (no missing digits here). This one has a spinny loop on forehand, blocks everything on BH, but overall I don't really see him near as high as 1800, sorry.
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Not even close to 1800. 1500 max.
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It looks like the kid's reach is too short to topspin over the table so he has to push. He has developed a nasty half-long push that won him several points. It's hard to tell anything from one video, maybe he usually makes more of his blocks than he did in this match. I guess 1950.
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Anywhere from 1400-1700. He can push and block, which can be enough to beat plenty of players.
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I will believe closer to 1700 than 1400. His sequence at 2:00 is one indicator.
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As a rule I don't try to judge ratings of people I haven't played and kids are even harder to guess. But this youngster's return of serve -- high and down the middle about 90% of the time against a weak serve -- would be a picnic lunch for most 1900 players. For now he also lacks reach and touch and anything other than a block on his BH side. My club is filled with kids like this, a lot with the exact same problems. Substantially below 1800 --- now. In another year or two it will be a different matter altogether if he keeps playing because there are a lot of good things too and getting taller will help with some of his issues, playing more will help with others. Kids like this are 1200 one day, 1700 the next, depends on who they play too.
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If the kid is under 1800 how come he took that guy to the 5th game with that guy making a lot of strong shots ?
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1500 at max. I play with a lot of kids at our club and they have a counter counter game but have trouble initiating or defending against strong attacks.
I did not see the enough attacks being initiated against pushes. Plus there was no BH and the lack of reach and power. 1500 max. Edited by ashishsharmaait - 06/03/2014 at 10:38am |
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I don't know what people are seeing but this kind is 1700 at the lowest and could be 2000, though he is likely closer to.1800. His push is likely heavier than most of us are giving it credit for and I am sure the misses by his opponent were edited out. The push, block/counter and short wide loops strategy could take down higher rated players easily. I know 1800 rated juniors with similar styles. His rating would be capped by the quality of topspin he can block/counter.
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================= I agree with this assessment.
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me too; an established 1700 will destroy the kid; a consistent 1600 will beat him.
I like the way he tries to place the ball short in a crazy angle to his right. He's got some serious placement skills and court awareness. |
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So, your saying the adult in the red shirt, who loops from both sides, was only 1600-1700 ? |
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Your question was about the kid; I did not watch much the guy with the red shirt; he could be 2200 and holding back for that matter...
I was starting at a level the kid does not reach (1700) and closing down on him, passing through 1600 that's still too high; then 1500 sounds about right and I imagine the kid wins 50% of his matches against 1500 rated people.
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For your info, the Kid, is the Siberia Russia region champion for 10 U. He is 10 years old. |
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Ahh..euh...ok.
A solid 1500-1600 rating is not a low level. Plenty of people in their 1800's may have pbs with a consistent 1500-1600 player, will lose 1 or 2 games and sometimes a match. Also there are 1550 who miss a lot and they can reach 1800 level when they do not, even win a u1800 event on a good day. Same idea for a consistent 1550 who can rally and push the 1800 players to comnit enough unforced errors to drop the match. Anyway your kid is a bad example as those can gain a couple hundred points in a couple months of training... |
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As I see only kids sizes are left in Russian internet shop. http://www.ttshop.ru/shop/sportivnaya-odezhda/forma_sbornoyi_rossii.html |
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I'd say 1500-ish at best too. But, he will be much better in few years for sure.
As a comparison, here's Michael Tran at 10 years old (maybe 1900-ish?) and again at 13 (approaching 2200). Notice at 10 years old how well he can attack, but also adjust and play touch shots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls4ZGuXDFN0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxC1tANtu1U
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People are seeing the kid play a defensive blocking style, conceding the first attack to his opponent, and they don't like it. Anyway points won by attacking count two, but blocking or pushing points only count one, didn't you know?
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fatt: can we really say consistent and 1600 in the same sentence with a straight face?
at the same time, fatt is an established player, he also has understanding of Russian TT, so his opinions should never be discounted.
(MY opinion only) at 1500-1600 level, players are NOT consistent. Maybe on certain shots or situations they could be high percentage to make them appear to be consistent players, but at that level, they miss too much or fail to handle spin or pace or short to keep them at their level.
I can name an entire BRIGADE of Korean players who can be consistent with FH to FH drive to drive fast pace never miss in 100 shots and do that sequence WAY better than me, (and I am 4 full levels better player than that crowd) yet these are only USATT level 1000-1200 HOPE division players HOPING or ASPIRING to qualify for div 5 city to put their name in the rolls at the least for a tourney.
I think consistency is either an illusion or isolated situational thing at 1500ish level.
Now if we define consistent as having an inclination to refrain from over-powering the ball and simply strive to get it back and keep it in play at a higher percentage, (without putting any "hot sauce" on the ball) then I would accept that. Edited by BH-Man - 06/02/2014 at 11:29pm |
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Red kid - 1700.
Blue kid -1650.
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I agree.. 1700 to 1800 should be about right.. |
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I would by no means discount playing some points like this at all. Sometimes, it is a winning strategy playing with some of those tactics.
My first tourney I did back in USA last fall (I think JacekGM made a live post of it right after it happened) I played a pretty similar style vs a very consistent (solid mid/upper 200s level) strong looper from distance. On receive, I pushed and asked opponent to open. I stayed close to table and blocked, blocked, blocked, sometimes counter or make a spinny loop, sometimes countered, but mostly blocked fast or slow with angles or at body. That worked well enough for me and I was a full level lower rated / lower skilled player than my opponent yet that playing style worked vs that good opponent at that level. I won 3-0 and that was my 14th match of the day and opponent's 4th.
That opponent lost a lot of rating points, but gained them right back (rightfully as he is a good player solid mid 2000 or better) in the next few tourneys. He wasn't over-rated and now I am prolly even lower level from lack of opportunity to train/practice or play competitively.
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Oliver, as much as I am out of time/practice/whatever, I LUV playing vs OX LP players and I would relish to play vs Ur OX LP game for forum glory.
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Kid isn't bad. You should teach him to "Cho" early on. His game will improve exponentially.
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If this kid is 1700, I definitely need to come play a tournament wherever you guys play
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So, you're saying that, if someone can take a higher opponent to the 5th game in a non-competitive club match, that they are on the same level?
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