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the_theologian
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And I was actually bringing up your situation to highlight that, in my understanding, perhaps not all restitution has been paid; as some stated it the posts preceding mine.
For now, I'm not going to be discussing these matters Cameron any further. He has stated that he feels I'm harassing him and mentioned going to the Police. As previously stated and explained, my persistence has been for the sake of avoiding Police involvement. So, to you Antuan, I suggest contacting whoever you feel is appropriate to resolve the matter.
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the_theologian
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I'm just not familiar enough with how banks and paypal interact with each other in these situations to have a concrete answer. I don't really understand how the bank can credit the money and then Paypal takes it again. It's almost like PayPal and the bank need to have a better working relationship. When I bounced it off the friend who works with Paypal, it sounded strange to him also. Did you report it to your bank as a fraudulent charge?
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Antuan
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Why are you fuzzy? |
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the_theologian
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I'm still fuzzy on Antuan's situation. I thought I was tracking until I chatted with a friend who is a PayPal guru (in a professional, business sense). Now, I'm not sure.
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bns7117
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Good for you buddy! and let's thank Theologian for getting everyone's refund(including myself) again! Thank you Theologian! we can't say enough thanks for your help! Edited by bns7117 - 09/14/2014 at 11:43pm |
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vishal_dindoyal
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Yes i just checked! He has fully refunded me! Thanks a lot!
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the_theologian
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I've been advised your money was refunded just now. Please confirm when you get a chance. |
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Antuan
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I have a linked credit card too. Everytime i pay with paypal they take my money from my bank account. |
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kakapo
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You are very very lucky Antuan.... I really don't know what you did to the paypal girl to get your money back :))) Better not to think about it :))
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Antuan
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Well guys, finally i could get my money back 2 days ago!! 🎉🎉🎈🎋🎁🎊
Paypal told me that i paid like a gift but they would try the best to get my money back because it was my first discuss in paypal, and finally they got it. |
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vishal_dindoyal
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Yes i am but his replies to my question are completely senseless.
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the_theologian
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Are you still in contact with Cameron? |
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vishal_dindoyal
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Am i the only one who still hasn't been refunded???
Why GOD why does it always have to be me?!!!
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Baal
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Something we have just learned and that is worth noting, and that has not been disclosed on this thread is that MAkira is a friend and playing partner of Cameron in Kansas City area. I think that information should have been disclosed in one of the comments that he made and it explains MAkira's fairly unusual degree of interest in this particular thread.
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MAkira
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it looks like they gave the money to his account according to this email. but if they also deactivated the account then does that mean no one has got the money?
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chroot
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exactly. once the payment is done as "gift", the money is gone. you can not dispute the transaction in paypal system. your bank/credit card company can open a dispute case against it, but paypal most likely will close the case in favor of the seller.
i am also a victim in this spam. without hep from guys like the_theoligian, i would never be able to get my money back. learned a lesson. will be more careful to use paypay "gift" option in the future.
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kakapo
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Antuan, That's what I told you : once the money has been sent as gift, it is lost !!!! The only solution is : the guy sends you the money back. Otherwise you can't do anything ! paypal will only acts if you send money the normal way.
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chroot
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It's very clear who has the money.
Read the reply from PayPal to Antuan. "Estimado Antonio Varela Izquierdo: Gracias por ponerse en contacto con nosotros en referencia a un pago personal de 150.00USD. Dado que PayPal no cubrimos los pagos personales, le recomiendo que se ponga en contacto con [email protected] para que le realice una devolución de los fondos, ya que el vendedor tiene todavía este pago que usted le envió. Ha sido un placer atender su consulta y le deseo un feliz día. Si necesita más información, recuerde que también puede entrar en su cuenta PayPal y consultar el apartado de Ayuda rápida del vínculo Contactar, a pie de página." In English (translated by Google): "Dear Antonio Varela Left: Thank you for contacting us regarding a personal payment 150.00USD. I have reviewed your account and I saw that the payment after opening a case such payment is not authorized by you, PP-003-318-949-459, the case was closed in favor of [email protected] so he has the money. Since PayPal personal payments do not cover, I recommend you contact him [email protected] to make a return of the funds, since the seller still has the payment you sent him. It has been a pleasure to deal with your inquiry and I wish you a happy day. " For more information, remember that you can also get into your PayPal account and see section Quick Help Contact link at footer." |
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Antuan
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Thank you @ttping85 , it has been just like you´ve explained. I don´t have my money. Cameron says that he doesn´t have my money, so, where is it? Does Paypal have it? i don´t think so...
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Baal
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It is entirely Cameron's fault. People have a right to expect that at the MyTT for sale forum, people are not going to just run away with the money. People should be more prudent perhaps, especially in how they use paypal, but if you enter into a good faith deal with someone, and that person blatantly rips you off, keeps your money, doesn't send the blade, or never actually had the blame, there is only one person to blame. It is good that he is trying to make restitution. That part is true. But if you look at the number of people who got ripped off, it amounts to a substantial amount of money and a repeated pattern of theft. |
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Baal
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Another for sale scammer, Mr. Gogool has been permanently banned.
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vishal_dindoyal
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Oh he knows he owes me, no problem with that! He has been telling me he is waiting for his paycheck to be able to give me my money back. I'm still waiting.
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MAkira
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I am agree with you, about him oweing antuan. but i don't know a story behind vishal. I do not think he will pay though if he believes he doesnt owe him.
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the_theologian
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I think I finally understand Antuan's situation. So, I believe that Cameron still owes Antuan and also vishal_dindoyal.
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ttping85
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why does this get so complicated?
Antuan got scammed 150 dollars like everybody else. He tried to get the money back through his bank. His bank gave him the money back but took it from his paypal account which is now -150. This means he actually didn't get his money back. Conclusion: if Cameron is refunding everybody then there is no reason at all why Antuan should not get refunded like everybody else. Once he will be refunded the 150 dollars his paypal account will be back to zero instead of being negative. @ the_theoligian: thank you very much for helping everybody to get their money back. What is the situation for Antuan, please? |
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MAkira
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but then i guess it is bad on both parts because if paypal has negative 150 dollars on you then that would mean the bank basically gave you nothing since you have to pay that back to paypal. I think what paypal do is bad for both parties. if i were you i would expect to get your money refunded still but i do not think he would be the kind of person to do that. since he already is known as a scammer.
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MAkira
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you said he showed you that he is -550$ this doesn't sound false if you've seen a picture. antuan i have a question for you. if you were to scam me 150$ and then my bank took the money back and gave it to me would you give me another 150$? this is where it sounds like he is coming from.
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Antuan
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Cameron has told me that he won't pay my 150$ because he has lost 150$ from me. It is false, i am who has lost 150$ in paypal.
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Antuan
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So paypal cancelled his account? I think paypal can not cancel an account if it is in negative balance. Another think that i don't understand is how he can have -550$ in paypal... |
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limjo
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What I know is that Cameron has got all the money he scammed in his Paypal Account (assuming he was not able to withdraw/transfer all before his account was blocked) then was blocked by Paypal due to numerous complaints. As per my knowledge, Theologian has been in contact with Cameron to clear his name by refunding the other forum members their money. Since Cameron's paypal account is blocked, Theologian convinced him to borrow money; some he gave to Theologian to refund other forum members while in my case he asked his girlfriend's paypal account to refund to my paypal account. I was in contact with Cameron before I got my money back, said he intends to pay all back just needs some time to get more money to pay everybody. While what Cameron did was deplorable it takes a man to admit his guilt and try to redeem himself. This is not entirely Cameron's fault, as I said before we let our guards down when offered with sweet deals and anybody without good reputation/feedsbacks should not be paid with Paypal as Gift. We all know this but since GREED HAS TAKEN OVER US WHEN OFFERED WITH ENTICING DEALS AND WE WERE JOSTLING OVER TO BITE THE BAIT. This is a sad lesson that should not happen again in the future.
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