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bns7117
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Cool, man, thanks for the recommendation, unfortunately for my level, I don't deserve to play N656/656-1 yet. :) |
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bns7117
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Ok it must be that he left little gap betwn the bottom of rubber and origin of the handle, which gave me an impression of bigger head size.... Yeahs rw and ebz look too hard for my liking... |
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TurboZ
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Of all the Hao blades I have, I like the H-WH (Hurricane Wang Hao) best. Especially if you play full time RPB. That is the one which export to Japan as Nittaku. The DHS version is the cheapest among all Hao blade.
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bns7117
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How does HH plays compare to HH2? I like the design of II better... So nittaku HH just has better quality, but the playing character is pretty much the same? |
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TurboZ
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When you say HH, do you mean HH1 or H-WH? They are 2 different blades. HH1 is thin and a bit flex and less powerful. HH2 is thicker with more power but less feel and hard. H-WH is thicker than HH2 but with different wood ply structure. I found it has the best combination of control, feel and power. Have not own the Nittaku Wang Hao so can't comment. But no reason to believe it is noticeably better because they are both made in China.
Edited by TurboZ - 08/15/2014 at 12:52pm |
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bns7117
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oh, I see. thanks for your input. I will do some research on that. Very good to know the difference between wang hao series. |
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Egghead
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If you are a looper, HH
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qualizon
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You can at least get the Hurricane Hao 656.
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TurboZ
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Be very careful as HHao and HH656 are the 2 most copied (fake) DHS blades in China (along with HK and HK655). A check on taobao and you will see for yourself. The newer package HH1, 2 and 3 seems fine. Also many in Chinese forum don't believe in those special CNT blades. There are simply too many for sale online. There may be genuine one but really hard to come by. You have to know someone's whoever and trust the source with your own faith. DHS won't bother to authenticate those non-market products so you will never know for sure. Some sellers actually stated that they are selling clones.
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ChichoFicho
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Just get something with hinoki top ply. Nittaku Septear is cheap and very good.
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bns7117
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Ohhhhh yeah good point, lots of Taobao sellers selling the non-market version which we can't know for sure... Thanks for the reminder. |
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bns7117
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Thanks for the recommendation! It is a well-regarded blade for that price. |
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bns7117
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Thanks, h656 is actually hurricane Hao II right? |
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qualizon
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Hurricane Hao (TOP)
Hurricane Hao 656 (CENTER) Hurricane Hao II (656) (BOTTOM) |
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bns7117
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Wow! Thanks man! What's top ply and second ply on the HH II? Looks harder than the two blades above, am I right? |
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Imago
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HK 655 and HH 656 are the best ever 5-ply cpen blades for an offensive player, 655 being a little bit ligther and thinner. Lot of catapult power without being flexy.
Koto - Spruce - Ayous... PS. The bottom blade has no visible spruce in its composition |
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bns7117
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Cool! thanks, they will be on my next testing scheme when i got more $. |
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Thylacine
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Butterfly Timo Alc is good!
Edited by Thylacine - 08/20/2014 at 5:28am |
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sandiway
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A thin blade is necessary for RPB. Interesting, I noticed the Hurricane Hao III is only 5.8mm thick. Is this like the 655 but with the fiberglass/carbon layer?
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qualizon
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I'm a big fan of all wood blade, and when I tried my friend's HH III, I immediately feel that it's not for me.
And yes, HH III is the one with a single fiber layer in the middle. BTW, you don't need a thin blade to do RPB. From time to time, I do RPB with my KTS as well.
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sandiway
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A thinner blade is better because you have rubber on both sides, making the penhold grip behave differently from a regular one-sided penhold grip.
Speed-wise, anyone know how the Stiga Rosewood (5 ply) compare with the all-wood HH blades?
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patwhall
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Interesting that no one recommend the blade choice of current CPEN king Xu Xin, Stiga Intensity NCT.
Instead of wading into the unknown area of DHS special made, you can get an authentic Stiga for about the same price. Rosewood V is good for looping, generate lots of spin and decent speed but hitting and blocking are a bit weak. |
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qualizon
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I agree a thinner blade is better, but still 1-ply hinoki can do the same thing. In fact, if you do an in-table rpb swing, the spin is stronger for the 1-ply. I have the Rosewood (7 ply), so my comparison might not be exactly what you're looking for. But the ball doesn't dwell in as much on the rosewood comparing to the koto from my N656. The speed is faster on rosewood, but you'll lose control over there.
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bns7117
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which HH do you like the best? Is H-WH better or HH1 in your opinion? |
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sandiway
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All wood blades are good for penhold because of the soft touch. And to play the penhold short game, control is paramount. However, for speed and power, a faster blade is better. But the tradeoff is that the paddle will have more plies and be thicker and heavier, e.g. 5 ply vs. 7 ply. And the control will be worse.
A carbon/fiber layer potentially could be thinner and lighter than the 7 ply, have similar speed, but the real question is whether the soft touch can be maintained. |
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TurboZ
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I wonder if the Intensity is modelled after YEO as XX used it in the transitional period between Rosewood and Intensity with great success. They are so similar but Intensity is lighter. I had recommend the Intensity Carbon on discount before. I have two YEO. One Euro and one JTTAA. The JTTAA is thicker with better feel and power. Of all the all wood Cpen I still like Rosewood V best. It is fast with ball feel. Only drawback is the weight. HH2 is also fast but lack in feeling. Start to love the Intensity Carbon more with modern rubbers. |
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sandiway
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I wonder if the Intensity is slower than the Rosewood V. It's lighter. Sandiway
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schen
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It is noticeably slower.
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sandiway
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Thanks. That confirms what I've heard too. It'd be nice to have something a bit more powerful than Rosewood V to go to without compromising the touch or control. Sandiway
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bns7117
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I still ended up getting arirang in the end, my game stepped up one level up. Didn't expect too much from it, and it surprised me a lot in terms of looping, power and control. My RPB strikes were much better compared to YEO since the hinoki layer allows more dwell time to flip the ball better on table, and maybe also because of the larger sweet spot it offers. Not much vibration, got gears, and high gear smashes were better than I thought since I heard it was more of a looping blade. Some say Peter Pan is faster than this blade, but I personally think its much faster than Peter Pan, yet control is still great. Looping was so much better than YEO for sure. It's a really nice blade with big sweet spot, which is much needed for pen hold "backhand" blocks. Highly recommend it to loopers, and its still great for third ball attacks I think. Nicely done, Nexy.
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