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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AndySmith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/06/2015 at 3:05pm
I guess this is a response to the general feeling that Airoc is too slow. I'm not surprised that the pros who use Stiga rubbers have generally stuck to Calibra so far, but maybe this would tempt a few.
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M is on offer at TT11 this week.
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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Found on Stiga new catalog


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M really is a no-nonsense do-anything rubber.  It definitely suits more of a driving style, but it does have more grip than past Stiga rubbers in general so it doesn't suffer overly in any particular department.

It has extreme linearity, which comes as a real surprise to me in this era of elastic, slingy rubbers.  Along with the predictable power delivery it also isn't very reactive to spin at low speeds and isn't particularly fast.  The whole package is very forgiving, and incredibly easy to use, while remaining reasonably dangerous for the opponent.

There's no chance I can make it work on the FH side, but it's the most efficient, effective BH rubber I've used for a while - since my happy days with Shark II Red Sponge, in fact.  Actually, I have the same satisfying feeling at the table with Airoc M that I did with Shark.  Easy to block, push, control the short game.  Anything short and above net height can be annihilated with ease, almost regardless of what spin is on the ball.  I do have to take BH flips on a bit earlier than before to avoid the ball dropping too low (topsheet grip isn't extreme to help with this), but that is the only adjustment I've had to make.

I'll keep an eye on durability, but apart from that - I'm sold.
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Sorry for the grave dig, would the topsheet be regarded as soft or hard relative to other modern tensors currently?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote asifgunz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/10/2015 at 12:59pm
Yogi clearly said the rubber feels about 45 deg euro scale.
So the topsheet should feel that of 45 deg esn rubbers.

It seems that you didnt even read the review lol


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Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

Yogi clearly said the rubber feels about 45 deg euro scale.
So the topsheet should feel that of 45 deg esn rubbers.

It seems that you didnt even read the review lol


Yogi specifically talked about the sponge hardness when he mentioned 45 degrees. And there are many variations in topsheet hardness among the 45 degree ESN rubbers.

Airoc's topsheet is soft.
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I felt the topsheet of Airoc was quite hard...
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nothing is softer than the topsheet of a Maxxx450.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

I felt the topsheet of Airoc was quite hard...
It's because your hand is so soft.


Lol. It's all relative I guess.
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Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

Yogi clearly said the rubber feels about 45 deg euro scale.
So the topsheet should feel that of 45 deg esn rubbers.

It seems that you didnt even read the review lol
Just to be clear, the topsheet can have a hard or soft feelings regardless of how hard or soft the sponge is, or how hard or soft the rubber "feels" overall, as that depends on both sponge and topsheet, no? Even though it "feels" 45 degrees, doesn't mean the topsheet is relative to other 45 degree "feeling" rubbers.


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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

I felt the topsheet of Airoc was quite hard...
It's because your hand is so soft.

Haha, what does that mean? Care to elaborate?
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Smackdat,

He is a high level player - they have better touch than we do.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Haha never mind...
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Is Airoc M good at counterlooping against slow and loaded loops? With some rubbers you simply can't prevent the ball from going long, even if you swing horizontally.
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if nobody will reply today, I am going to test mine tonight for your  specific question, this would be for the Airoc and not the the Airoc Astro
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Gsom,tried 5 counter loops against slow heavy top spins.
the 3rd one when I started to move 4 feet away went long the others all landed. I would say it DOESN'T have that problem.


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Thank you very much! As we say in Russia: the man said, the man did.

So, to counterloop successfully, one should take the ball on the rise, not move back. Right?
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Do these Stiga rubbers have something in common with Tibhar Nianmor, which was Japan made too?

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I think no. Nianmor has an old gen sponge, it lacks spin and power without glue or booster. Airoc has obviously more topsheet spin and is more arcy when you do not engage the blade in your loop. Also, bh banana flick goes better with Airoc. When loopdriving 'through the ball', engaging both sponge and blade, Nianmor is on par.
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Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Thank you very much! As we say in Russia: the man said, the man did.

So, to counterloop successfully, one should take the ball on the rise, not move back. Right?

That is the theory.  To clarify,given the slow loop was still rising at around 3 to 4 feet from the table I executed my counter closer than that on the first 2 then move a bit further to test the rubber there.  From further out the first one went long but the next 2 landed.


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So, it's just a matter of adaptation
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I would like to test an Airoc M or Astro M. But long ago i tested a Calibra LT sound and i did not like it at all. The rubor was like dead, no spin, los angle... Hope Airon are different (they are Japan made) to previous Stiga rubbers and ESN rubbers. I like Tenergy 05 for FH and 05 or 80FX for BH.
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If you want them to be closer to Btfy I suggest you try Airo S in max. It has decent spin and speed.
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

If you want them to be closer to Btfy I suggest you try Airo S in max. It has decent spin and speed.

I will try an Airoc Astro S 2,1 Thank you!
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I know thread have 6 years but Airoc M is very OK on very fast super zlc blade. IF you buy this rubber for 15-17 euro you will be happy because it gives you more time on backhand side. So after long time for table tennis this is very OK rubber 
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