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    Posted: 09/12/2014 at 7:22am
Hi I am looking at getting a faster table tennis blade. Would the dhs hurricane long 5 blade be good for a attacking player? or for the money should i get something else?

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If you are a fan of Ma Long and you don't care about the money, it would be a great buy!But think about of buying 2, even 3 blades at this price my friend, which will play as good as the Hurricane Long 5 and even better!For example, viscaria would be a great choise with carbon arylate fibers.Or even cheaper you can buy tibhar stratus carbon, which have also arylate carbon fibers and the outer wood ply is limba as hurricane long 5 is.
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I thought the Stratus Carbon was kevlar-carbon fibres.

Does it compare favorably with Butterfly blades?  I think that is the one thing missing in the JRE - some Arylate/Zylon.
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HL5 is quite unique. It has a bigger than normal face for an offensive blade. So any 2 cuts of modern rubbers will make it a heavy weight. Blade itself is heavy too, around 95g or above. Also it is very flexy. Almost play like a whip. Handle is thinner than usual so the grip is kind of weird for a large and heavy blade. But if you can get pass all the size and weight issues than it really is the best blade DHS has ever made. It feels and play like nothing out there. So easy to get speed and spin with great control. If you can get max discount from TT11 then the price is very reasonable. But first I guess you really have to be a Ma Long fan to love it.    
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I thought the Stratus Carbon was kevlar-carbon fibres.

Does it compare favorably with Butterfly blades?  I think that is the one thing missing in the JRE - some Arylate/Zylon.

Kevlar isn't something like arylate?The yinhe carbokev K-4 isn't a clone of viscaria or tbALC?So the kevlar isn't some kind of arylate?
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what is the difference between hurricane long 5 and hurricane long 2. ?
which is more suitable for 2 wings looper?
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I am a Ma Long fan but when you say it feels like a whip is that bad?

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I believe when he says it play like a whip, it means the blade is (very) flexible. It's more of a looping blade rather than a hitting blade. :)
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Hi it would be a help if you told how you playing is like.
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Originally posted by dannyreventon dannyreventon wrote:

I believe when he says it play like a whip, it means the blade is (very) flexible. It's more of a looping blade rather than a hitting blade. :)


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Hi thanks for all your help. I have decided to get the Dhs HL5 what rubbers would you recommend? for no more that $55 per sheet. 
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I have H3 and Tin Arc 5 on it. Total weight is over 204g. I bet TA5 alone adds 10g extra to the setup. If you can handle that then it will play real nice. If not then you probably have to look away from DHS rubbers. I have not used anything else on it yet so really can't tell for sure. But I bet any harder sponge modern rubber should work fine.   
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Guys can someone share his/her review about this blade? I am concerned about weight balance with euro tensors. What kind of rubbers will suit this blade and what is the most applicable playing zone preferrable for this blade?
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Why there is no Long 4 ????????????
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Originally posted by Ladon1997 Ladon1997 wrote:

Why there is no Long 4 ????????????

4 is an unlucky number in Chinese culture (the word for "four" sounds like the word for "death"). Therefore, 4 was skipped.
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No . 4 means "WIN "
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  Seems to have several meanings , confusing ?
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Not much discussion about this blade on here it seems. I was interested in it by reading the positive reviews on TT11.

Can the players who have used this blade post a review about it compared with other well known carbon blades like viscaria, tb alc, zjk alc etc?

Is it a necessity that you use Chinese or Chinese type rubbers with this blade or are they also good with European style rubbers like MX-P, Yasaka etc?

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You're welcome!

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Posted here are some thoughts on the Hurricane Long V. I'll compare the blade to Viscaria (so others can have a good frame of reference). Hope that it is helpful for some as I ventured into trying out the HL5 with not as much research.

I have a set of 90g original HL5 blades (I bought them from Paddle Palace which gets them direct from DHS factories - no intermediary). Both are around 6.1mm thick (as compared to 5.7mm of a average Viscaria).

I have been using them for a couple of months.

HL5 is less bouncy than Viscaria & with a lot better feeling and control.

However, it is a lot more powerful than Viscaria (at least 1 level above the Vis in this regard). The power comes from the flex. At 6.1mm thick, the blade is very solid. But because it has a big face (I think around 160x151?), the blade acts as a very powerful whip. I've never felt this in any other non-DHS blade before.

It is one of those rare blades with which you can play well at the table (due to it not being bouncy and having better feeling / feedback as compared to Viscaria) and away from the table (due to its power).

But there are some differences between this blade and Viscaria that you have to adapt to.

The most important difference is how you generate spin.

Viscaria has a soft outer koto / ALC feeling. You generate spin by hitting medium hard into the ball. 

You try that using HL5 and you shall be dissapointed. With HL5, you generate spin by learning to utilize its flex and brushing the ball.

So, with Viscaria, you generate some spin by brushing and a lot of spin by hitting into the ball. With HL5, you generate a lot of spin / dwell by brushing (especially if you use the flex properly) and not as much spin / dwell but with a lot of speed if you hit into the ball. For that reason, I also find the HL5 to be much better for blocking - the ball seems to rocket back when blocking powerloops.

For further illustration on how to spin with HL5, look at how Ma Long uses it, for example. Some think that because his FH seems very powerful and more direct, he goes through the ball. But if you see in the slo-mo bits in the video below, he almost always brushes the top of the ball with high speed for his FH loop.

This has important impact on your choice of rubber. Of course, Chinese rubber shall work well with it. But with non-Chinese rubbers, I think that one needs a certain amount of tackiness and / or grip. So, while rubbers that mainly generate spin using sponge would work well with Viscaria, they would not with HL5. Also, pure at-the-table brushing works much better with this blade than with the Viscaria.

So, I would recommend rubbers with either some tack, high grip or both. I currently use MX-P on FH and Omega V Tour (2.0) on BH and am very happy with this combo. I saw a Fang Bo video that indicated that he uses Yasaka Rakza X on BH, so I guess that works as well. Ma Long uses tacky DHS rubber on BH.

The combo shall be heavy (mine is around 198g), but it is very well balanced so that alarming weight is not an issue at all.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

You're welcome!

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Posted here are some thoughts on the Hurricane Long V. I'll compare the blade to Viscaria (so others can have a good frame of reference). Hope that it is helpful for some as I ventured into trying out the HL5 with not as much research.

I have a set of 90g original HL5 blades (I bought them from Paddle Palace which gets them direct from DHS factories - no intermediary). Both are around 6.1mm thick (as compared to 5.7mm of a average Viscaria).

I have been using them for a couple of months.

HL5 is less bouncy than Viscaria & with a lot better feeling and control.

However, it is a lot more powerful than Viscaria (at least 1 level above the Vis in this regard). The power comes from the flex. At 6.1mm thick, the blade is very solid. But because it has a big face (I think around 160x151?), the blade acts as a very powerful whip. I've never felt this in any other non-DHS blade before.

It is one of those rare blades with which you can play well at the table (due to it not being bouncy and having better feeling / feedback as compared to Viscaria) and away from the table (due to its power).

But there are some differences between this blade and Viscaria that you have to adapt to.

The most important difference is how you generate spin.

Viscaria has a soft outer koto / ALC feeling. You generate spin by hitting medium hard into the ball. 

You try that using HL5 and you shall be dissapointed. With HL5, you generate spin by learning to utilize its flex and brushing the ball.

So, with Viscaria, you generate some spin by brushing and a lot of spin by hitting into the ball. With HL5, you generate a lot of spin / dwell by brushing (especially if you use the flex properly) and not as much spin / dwell but with a lot of speed if you hit into the ball. For that reason, I also find the HL5 to be much better for blocking - the ball seems to rocket back when blocking powerloops.

For further illustration on how to spin with HL5, look at how Ma Long uses it, for example. Some think that because his FH seems very powerful and more direct, he goes through the ball. But if you see in the slo-mo bits in the video below, he almost always brushes the top of the ball with high speed for his FH loop.

This has important impact on your choice of rubber. Of course, Chinese rubber shall work well with it. But with non-Chinese rubbers, I think that one needs a certain amount of tackiness and / or grip. So, while rubbers that mainly generate spin using sponge would work well with Viscaria, they would not with HL5. Also, pure at-the-table brushing works much better with this blade than with the Viscaria.

So, I would recommend rubbers with either some tack, high grip or both. I currently use MX-P on FH and Omega V Tour (2.0) on BH and am very happy with this combo. I saw a Fang Bo video that indicated that he uses Yasaka Rakza X on BH, so I guess that works as well. Ma Long uses tacky DHS rubber on BH.

The combo shall be heavy (mine is around 198g), but it is very well balanced so that alarming weight is not an issue at all.






Thanks, I now recall I've read your review a few weeks back but completely forgot about it Embarrassed

So you are saying it's 6.1mm thickness whereas TT11 is listing it as 5.9mm thickness. Also I saw a blade on the FS section here which stated there is a newer version of this blade which has smaller head size and less heavy than the average 95g. Would you happen to know about these things?

Secondly can you tell us your thoughts about the control of the blade especially on BH blocks and about the sweet spot which some people say is huge?

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So you are saying it's 6.1mm thickness whereas TT11 is listing it as 5.9mm thickness. Also I saw a blade on the FS section here which stated there is a newer version of this blade which has smaller head size and less heavy than the average 95g. Would you happen to know about these things?

Secondly can you tell us your thoughts about the control of the blade especially on BH blocks and about the sweet spot which some people say is huge?

Thanks.

No, I have one still available for sale (it is a ORIGINAL blade) and THAT piece is 6.1mm (in fact, both of the pieces I had for sale were between 6 & 6.1mm).

A club member bought the new-size blade - I found it to be a dissappointment in that the best feature of the HL5 to me was that it combines solidity with whip-like flex not seen in any non-DHS blade. Well, that 2nd part goes away with the new size. That whip-like flex adds to the spin as well in a big way.

Yes, average HL5 is 94-95g. But if you look around, you might find a few lighter ones once in a while (shameless plug: mine is 90g). Unlike other BTY blades, these have more of their weight on their handle, so they don't feel heavy even though the set-up actually shall be. I was earlier not comfortable with anything greater than 185g in standard BTY blades. I had no issues with a 198g HL5 combo (I used very heavy rubbers).

On your control question: it has better control than the Viscaria and is less bouncy. It has a bigger sweet spot. Blocking is much better than Viscaria as well (which is NOT true on the IF-ALC as that has 2 limba outers). This is because, when your opponent loops or loop drives hard, the ball penetrates into the inner carbon layer of your bat and the trajectory becomes more direct and the dwell reduces for your block. When you brush-loop, you're more using the limba outer and you get high throw and more dwell.


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Hey, when we had our equipment tester Patrick review that blade recently, he said: 

"If combined with faster rubbers, this will yield a blistering fast set-up. Compared to the 7-ply Hurricane Long 3, the 5+2 ply Hurricane Long 5 is faster, stiffer and more direct."

In short, yes - that blade is fast. If you'd like, you can read our full DHS Hurricane Long 3 and Long 5 review.
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Hi folks,
I want to order a HL5 now but I'm confused slightly about the versions out there.
Some questions to dissolve:
- What are the pros/cons of the larger (old) and smaller (new) head size?
- How does the smaller head size affect the weight? I assume that a 95gr with small head plays much faster/harder than a 95 gr with larger head size. Am I correct?
- What are the approximate weights of the larger (I think 95gr?) and smaller blades?
 
I found two very different weight ranges on different dhs-sites in the internet:
http://www.dhs-tt.com/en/dhs-hurricane-long-5 says 95 gr
http://en.dhs-sports.com/c6fc2acb-8517-a3a3-1149-964a881db711/ says 89 gr

I think the second one is the smaller version?

Thanks for your help!

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Originally posted by AndiHL AndiHL wrote:

Hi folks,
I want to order a HL5 now but I'm confused slightly about the versions out there.
Some questions to dissolve:
- What are the pros/cons of the larger (old) and smaller (new) head size?
- How does the smaller head size affect the weight? I assume that a 95gr with small head plays much faster/harder than a 95 gr with larger head size. Am I correct?
- What are the approximate weights of the larger (I think 95gr?) and smaller blades?
 
I found two very different weight ranges on different dhs-sites in the internet:
http://www.dhs-tt.com/en/dhs-hurricane-long-5 says 95 gr
http://en.dhs-sports.com/c6fc2acb-8517-a3a3-1149-964a881db711/ says 89 gr

I think the second one is the smaller version?

Thanks for your help!

Andi



You assume the 95g is the older version with the bigger headsize.
& the 89g is the smaller head size. 

New version doesnt come with printing on the blade surface. 
Whereas the old version comes with big printing on the surface.

Bigger head size usually equals to bigger sweet spot. Good for looping and feeling but usually lesser speed involved and usually head heavy.
Smaller head size means small sweetspot but the speed of the ball leaving the blade is faster and probably not as head heavy as the bigger faced Hurricane Long 5. 

What you can expect is Older versions to have weight 93-97g 
and newer versions to be 88g-91g.
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Originally posted by proSpin proSpin wrote:

You assume the 95g is the older version with the bigger headsize.
& the 89g is the smaller head size. 

New version doesnt come with printing on the blade surface. 
Whereas the old version comes with big printing on the surface.

Bigger head size usually equals to bigger sweet spot. Good for looping and feeling but usually lesser speed involved and usually head heavy.
Smaller head size means small sweetspot but the speed of the ball leaving the blade is faster and probably not as head heavy as the bigger faced Hurricane Long 5. 

What you can expect is Older versions to have weight 93-97g 
and newer versions to be 88g-91g.

Thank you very much!!

Maybe you can tell one other thing: are there noticeable changes concerning the handles between the old and new ones?
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