Butterfly 40+ vs tibhar 40+ vs dhs 40+

Nice review, but that butterfly ball looks so gay

TSuBaSa wrote: ...butterfly plastic ball( you can't buy those I just got a sample directly from a distributor ) ...Both butterfly balls were perfectly round

I was curious what the Butterfly ball would be like.  Do you know where it is made and by whom? Do they have their own factory in China?  How high is the bounce compared to celluloid?  If you drop them from the same height, do they continue to bounce repeatedly for as long as celluloid before they come to a rest?  To me that is a key issue.  Also, can you tell from the letter code stamped in the box when they were made?  Are the first two letters XF, XG, or XH?  And what is up with their obsession with the color pink?  (The last question is just rhetorical).

I have tried many of the polyballs.  All of them without fail are a very bright white and this is easier to see. The ones I have tried include  Nittaku China SHA, Nittaku Japan Premum 40+, DHS, Joola, Tibhar, DONic, Double Fish, TSP, XSF (red and black label).  People at my club, HTTA in Houston, have about 70% switched to polyballs, and that is about 100% among people who really compete seriously.  Right now the most common balls used are Joola, DF, and Nittaku SHA, with a few of us having bought XSF as well.  All of them, no matter what the brand is, are a little slower and a little less spinny.  I am ok with that with a little adjustment.

I can't tell any real difference between the Chinese seamed balls that are made by DHS but sold under different labels, and I don't like any of them very much.  The only thing I can say is that they are better than DF and TSP (made by DF), which deviate from roundness very badly and bounce like rocks -- or perhaps more accurately, like a half inflated soccer ball.  These actually feel nothing at all like celluloid, at least if you do more than just stand in one place and hit counters or just loop and block a little.  The makers should be embarrassed, the main issue is the low and very inconsistent bounce.  All of the Chinese seamed balls have bounce and roundness problems but the TSP balls were especially awful -- surprising given the high quality of their celluloid balls.  At a point I gave mine away in disgust.  Durability is also a big problem, still.  Checking the boxes, though, most of the seamed CHinese balls that people have received here were manufactured in June (stamped XFAD).  They can't get much worse.  Maybe more recent lots are better?  Maybe that explains why these Butterfly balls were better? 

XSF is much better and are also cheaper than the others and at this point I am mostly satisfied with their durability.  They are very round.  This consensus has emerged not just from me but also from a wide range of the members at my club, who range in rating from 2600 (including at this point four former US team members) to 1600.  The one thing I have noticed is that the higher the level of the player that tries them, the quicker they immediately say "oh yes, that's much better".  Nittaku 40+ Japan are pretty good but not yet sold, and when they are sold, they will be very expensive. 

Butterfly bounces a bit higher than dhs. Also a bit harder. So I thought It'll sound worse but that's not the case.

I know dhs very well they're not even, hard on one side soft on the other side. Both butterfly balls were perfectly even. That's a surprise because I don't like butterfly cell balls.

To my eyes dhs one are a bit brighter. Tibhar and butterfly balls looks similar.
 Chinese guys are able to produce much better poly balls and I'm happy to see that kind of progress in such a short period.
I know they are made in China but I don't know the rest. There was no box. Distributor says he got 24 of them but he didn't mention any box or printing.

TSuBaSa wrote: Ps: tibhar balls are smaller than dhs balls.

  That's surprising.  How many balls did you measure and how did you do it?

Thank you very much for the nice review of our forum member TSuBaSa!
Butterfly Polly balls are looking very sweet

They seem exactly the same to me as Double Fish.  But I only got to try a couple.

CLAMANT FIASCO with Nittaku Premium....

This Mens Team Cup is now played with Nittaku Premium 40+
It looks very much like they using the old small 38 ball. Too speedy raliies brimfull with mishitting balls, no control, abundance of simple errors. No control at all.   
The Nittaku is a crap indeed.   Due to the hard plastic material ABS, overly hard, stony hard.

The play we have seen before now this year with DHS 40+ was a devastating contrast:
   -- good ball control, a lot of viewy prolonged raliies to spectator`s full satisfaction.


Nittaku, please decease this ABS crapy ball. Nittaku, you murder the game. Stop using the Nittaku Premium 40+ for all the televised matches. The Premium 40+ ball is almost uncontrolable. The ball spoiled the sport badly, indeed.    No good spectacle to watch any more.

Nttaku Premium of ABS plastic is a clamant fiasco,   FAILURE ball..

Toprank,

Nittaku Premium 40+ plays nicely, and as you say, slower than celluloid because they are in fact 40+.  It is very light.  XSF also nice, and a lot more durable, a bit heavier.  I actually prefer playing with the XSF, but either one is ok.

And what you way about the others is true too.

Just another DFish clone. Sucks if used long enough.

Hans Regenkurt wrote: To me this means the quality of newer seamed plastic balls has drastically improved. It does not even feel as hard as the first seamed plastic balls. The DHS ball that I got hold of when the very first shipments came in pales in comparison to this Butterfly one. To be specific, that was a piece of rubbish: it wobbled and behaved unpredictably. One thing I have noticed but I am not 100% certain about is that the Butterfly ball seems faster than the XSF I have (not the sports version). It is still a little slower than celluloid but we can live with it.

Hopefully this holds up over time, it would be great news to have other options.

That was my experience too, but hopefully things will improve.

TSuBaSa wrote: Xushuoafa is just the best by far. Even nittaku premium balls are not that durable and they are really expensive. Xushuoafa *** balls are cheap, durable and perfectly round. I got my self 72 of them and I'm not going to buy something else...

I agree XSF are way better than the rest but somehow I always win more and easier with the Double Fish.

Anybody still looking for P balls?