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    Posted: 09/18/2014 at 8:23am
A kid in my club often turns up one hour or 75 minutes before the training session with his coach. He gets bored while waiting for the session so his coach tells him to play with some old social players who can mainly push and block the ball. The kid’s level is much higher than those oldies so his coach asks him to play them with his backhand only as a way to improve all of his backhand shots. Is this a right advice? I believe that the kid needs to practice forehand to backhand transition like in the real match situations rather than do it all with backhand shots!

Please give me your opinions so I can feed back to the kid’s parent. They are anxious for some answers.Thumbs Up

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There is nothing wrong with it as a drill - it is a footwork test and one of the things higher level players can do is cover more than 2/3 of the table with their backhands.
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Nothing wrong with working on your backhand.
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If it was me, I would say do it sometimes with only your forehand.  Do it sometimes with only your backhand.  Using only your forehand develops footwork that is a little more realistic.
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As said by others, nothing wrong to work on your bh, but there is a risk of forming a bad habit to always step around and use bh even in real matches.

I would more like try to force him to make the transition between fh and bh.
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Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

As said by others, nothing wrong to work on your bh, but there is a risk of forming a bad habit to always step around and use bh even in real matches.

I would more like try to force him to make the transition between fh and bh.
 
This is not necessarily a bad habit - it is another way of playing with advantages and disadvantages like anything else.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

If it was me, I would say do it sometimes with only your forehand.  Do it sometimes with only your backhand.  Using only your forehand develops footwork that is a little more realistic.

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Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

As said by others, nothing wrong to work on your bh, but there is a risk of forming a bad habit to always step around and use bh even in real matches.

I would more like try to force him to make the transition between fh and bh.


Yes, the transitions are also critical.

On the other hand, it is good to be able to make that move if you have a strong BH, though --- as on returns of serve for example. Watch videos of guys like ZJK and Dima, move to favor their BH sometimes. 

It is hard to know what to say without watching this young guy play.
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It pretty good advice really, to develop good touch and control on his BH if he is FH loop/ smash dominant. ...

Who knows, the coach may switch him to FH touch next week...
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It's not your job to question the coaches methods.  For you to go to the parents and tell them that the coach in not doing his job is way, way out of line. 


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To me it's a weird drill.  You don't want to hit backhands out of the long forehand corner.  Sometimes you can hit short backhands from the short forehand if the spin is the right direction.

I would tell him that anything on the left side of the center line needs to be a backhand.


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I am right hand and I have hit many shots with my b/h on f/h side of the table. I think it is a good practice to get one to feel at ease if they find them self out of position for a f/h shot or stepping around to execute a b/h like stepping around for a f/h. Just my 2 cents.
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He may have done this to make playing these players challenging/fun/interesting for everyone involved.  This may be especially true if the stronger player has an especially strong forehand relative to the other players that are there.  

Another time you'll find yourself using your backhand when out of position is in doubles.  Then you'll be glad you practiced it from awkward positions.
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If I am not comfortable using my BH, and there is an opportunity for me to force myself to use and practice my BH by commit to use it on every shot, then why not? Not every drill or practice needs to be a clear advantage, 'Just do it' and the benefit will come, if not try something else Smile.
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Every GOOD player should have very high range of opponents.Sorry for my bad english if I made any mistake.I am trying to say that every good player must play with many players with different kind of playing styles.This will help the player to improve his skills.He must play with the opponent who palys 1 year ping pong till the pro player who plays ping pong for decates-with the old-fashion(style) playing game, to the new style player!
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

As said by others, nothing wrong to work on your bh, but there is a risk of forming a bad habit to always step around and use bh even in real matches.

I would more like try to force him to make the transition between fh and bh.




 

This is not necessarily a bad habit - it is another way of playing with advantages and disadvantages like anything else.


Well, in my book it is a bad habit since the fh is a stronger shot then the bh. Only exception is the one Baal mentions, return of serve/short balls to the fh side, these can be returned with a bh flip.
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isnt this the perfect opportunity to have the kid do MANDATORY alternate between FH and BH? It's a bigger handicap than just BH
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Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

As said by others, nothing wrong to work on your bh, but there is a risk of forming a bad habit to always step around and use bh even in real matches.

I would more like try to force him to make the transition between fh and bh.




 

This is not necessarily a bad habit - it is another way of playing with advantages and disadvantages like anything else.


Well, in my book it is a bad habit since the fh is a stronger shot then the bh. Only exception is the one Baal mentions, return of serve/short balls to the fh side, these can be returned with a bh flip.
William Henzell and Dimitri Ovtcharov amongst others have this bad habit.  It is also an important strategy against certain kinds of players who send you to positions where you can't recover from the wide forehand to use forehands again.
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Firstly, I would like to thank all the folks who give their opinions in this topic. I also would like to clarify a few points. I used to coach this kid for free and it was his parents who come to me and ask for an advice. Even I told them my own opinion on this matter, I also said that in the 80’s my coach would throw a hammer to me if I step to the forehand corner to make a backhand flip but now it is a regular shot for advanced players, so I will seek more advices and let them know.
The kid forehand’s attack is much better than his backhand and while I agree that he need to improve on his backhand, I still cannot understand why he has to use his backhand to smash the ball bouncing higher than his shoulder and even move all the way to the forehand side to do it. In the real match situation, you will use the forehand to put away a high ball!
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The coach is just asking the kid to challenge himself. There Kay be better ways, but there is no need to overthink this.
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Originally posted by PingPongTom PingPongTom wrote:

Firstly, I would like to thank all the folks who give their opinions in this topic. I also would like to clarify a few points. I used to coach this kid for free and it was his parents who come to me and ask for an advice. Even I told them my own opinion on this matter, I also said that in the 80’s my coach would throw a hammer to me if I step to the forehand corner to make a backhand flip but now it is a regular shot for advanced players, so I will seek more advices and let them know.
The kid forehand’s attack is much better than his backhand and while I agree that he need to improve on his backhand, I still cannot understand why he has to use his backhand to smash the ball bouncing higher than his shoulder and even move all the way to the forehand side to do it. In the real match situation, you will use the forehand to put away a high ball!

Or, he could use the opportunity to practice counterhitting off the bounce with his bh.
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Originally posted by PingPongTom PingPongTom wrote:

Firstly, I would like to thank all the folks who give their opinions in this topic. I also would like to clarify a few points. I used to coach this kid for free and it was his parents who come to me and ask for an advice. Even I told them my own opinion on this matter, I also said that in the 80’s my coach would throw a hammer to me if I step to the forehand corner to make a backhand flip but now it is a regular shot for advanced players, so I will seek more advices and let them know.
The kid forehand’s attack is much better than his backhand and while I agree that he need to improve on his backhand, I still cannot understand why he has to use his backhand to smash the ball bouncing higher than his shoulder and even move all the way to the forehand side to do it. In the real match situation, you will use the forehand to put away a high ball!


Again, you should not try to interfere with the coaches decisions.  Using the excuse that the parents asked you a question is also not right.  If you or the parents have a question, why not ask the coach.  You don't seem to know why the coach is having the kid do this.  Coming to the forum asking us what you should do is also wrong.  We don't know anything about the coach, or what he is trying to do.  Your goal seems to elevate yourself or demean the coach.  Talk to the coach or stay out of it!
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Forcing oneself to play BH to make it a habit is one thing, but in this case forcing oneself to play BH to gain the confidence is a very different thing, and a very good thing imo.  It's not like the coach advice to use BH as much as you can all the time.
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It can be really good to train one stroke at the time because it´s easier to focus at one thing. But I can see a problem in playing backhand all over the table because it can affect your footwork in a negative way. It can cause problem when it comes to real matches in the future.

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