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Sorry it took me 2 days to post the review because of being sick and due to the typhoon. These 2 amazing rubbers have been provided by www.greenpaddle.com, the official distributor of Joola in the Philippines. I have used several versions of Rhyzms and Maxxx's in the past and all I can say these 2 are unlike any other rubbers that I have tried. I used an Ebenholz 5 blade and Avenger 5 on both rubbers as test blades.
Rhyzm-P weight: 68 grams uncut (approx) Weight: 65 grams uncut (approx.) Hardness: 42.5 degrees As I opened the 2 rubbers I was in for a surprise of my life. I was expecting the usual different sponge topsheet combination but Joola has made a different design on these 2 rubbers in a very simple but elegant to look at. Large enough logos and names are very nice to look at. The topsheets of the 2 rubbers seem a little different from their predecessors in which the rubbers have a different texture and there is this increased quality that I have noticed. The sponge of the Rhyzm-P is different from the old Rhyzms because it is more porous. Also that the previous Rhyzms are in white and this is in orange. Maxxx-P is the opposite, the Maxxx 500 sponge sample that I have has a larger pore compared the Maxxx-P. I have used the Joola 3 star celluloid ball and the DHS 40+ polyball for testing both rubbers and here are my thoughts: Speed: Rhyzm-P is faster than Maxxx-P by several notches. During drives and counterhitting, The speed of the Rhyzm-P is really evident when hitting through the sponge. I think Rhyzm-P is almost or in the same level of speed compared with the original Rhyzm but with a softer feel. The Maxxx-P felt faster noticeably than the previous Maxxx 450. I dunno if the cause is the topsheet but both Rhyzm-P and Maxxx-P felt harder than 45 and 42.5 degrees respectively. When I used the DHS 40+ ball on both rubbers, both have low trajectory with Rhyzm as having the lower one. I would categorize their throw as Maxxx-P low to medium throw and Rhyzm-P as low throw. Middle distance, both rubbers are good and no decrease in speed in power has been observed but far from the table the Rhyzm-P really stands out. Rhyzm has this sharp trajectory upon hitting the ball with flat hits or spin drives. Maxxx-P has an arching effect. Spin: Both Maxxx-P and Rhyzm-P are a notch above their previous versions. For the celluloid balls, the Maxxx-P is like a combined Maxxx 450 and 500 in spin generation. I really find the Maxxx 500 spinny in terms of looping like using a chinese rubber which is more on a brushing stroke against the ball while the Maxxx 450 is also spinny but you need to hit more through the sponge and use the sponge more also to produce spin. Both of these properties by 2 different rubbers can be found in Maxxx-P. The Rhyzm-P is not far behind in terms of spin compared to Maxxx. I thought this was just another fast rubber with more emphasis on speed and less on spin blah, blah but I was wrong and was quite surprised. This version of the Rhyzm is very spinny. The previous rhyzms are spinny but not in the level of the P version. This one seems easier to produce spin also. What made me shun away from the previous Rhyzm versions is that the 48 degree version was too fast and the others were not too spinny. I think people who love the Rhyzm 48 will love the Rhyzm-P more simply because it is spinnier, easier to produce spin and more forgiving when looping. Same goes with the Maxxx-P. Now the question is, were they still good in spin with the DHS 40+ ball? YES! and it is a BIG YES! I tested a lot of spinny loops on all contact points and timings on the table and all I can say is that both rubbers have a very good potential in spinning the polyball. I was wondering though even if they are very spinny both arcs of the Maxxx-P and Rhyzm-P still remained low to medium only. Although my loops were spinnier when I used the Joola 3 star celluloid ball, with the DHS 40+ there are still lots of spin left but only by a very small fraction. I could still feel the difference and even the student of mine who was blocking against my loop. At least there wasn't a large loss of spin when using a polyball. The Rhyzm-P was stronger when taking the ball on the rise and peak while Maxxx-P was better when looping the ball peak and late contact. When compared to the Evolution series, I think both rubbers have more or less equal spin. Other comparisons: controlled blocking against attacks: Maxxx-P active blocking or punch blocking: Rhyzm-P smashing: Rhyzm-P drop shots: Maxxx-P flicks: Rhyzm-P serves: more or less equal in spin pushes: Maxxx-P So for both rubbers I give them a 2 thumbs up I am verryyyyyy impressed! Although I love the Maxxx-P more, I was more surprised and impressed with the Rhyzm-P because it felt more balanced in terms of offensive capabilities at the same time being forgiving. I guess Joola has produced their own versions of rubbers that are polyball ready. I recommend the Rhyzm-P if you hit middle to far distance from the table and Maxxx-P is you still want to spin a lot when using the new polyball. I am also expecting this to be very durable. The previous Maxxx and Rhyzm versions lasts very long and a lot of people appreciates their durability especially the Rhyzm series. |
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good review yogi... just when i was thinking i never need to change from rhyzm on my bh... you managed to tempt me towards rhyzm-p
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Great review yogi, many thanks!
Rhyzm-P's low throw really confused me when I used it. So different to the original Rhyzm. I'm glad I'm not going slightly mad. I had hoped to use R-P on my FH, but I'm just not going to be able adjust without a lot of time. I expected it to be quite different. It's exceptional on the drive, blocks like a wall, loads of spin in general. I tried it on my BH side and it's a great fit there. |
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Great review Yogi!
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although maxxx-p fits my game better especially on the backhand, i would rate the rhyzm-p as a stronger rubber in terms of performance over the maxxx-p. i think it is in the level of the evolution series but with a softer feel and more forgiving towards strokes.
debraj, i know you love the 48 degree Rhyzm but this one is quite different. you should try somebody who bought this who knows you will love this even more. alex, you can go ahead and post this at ooak :D |
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lol why are not my pictures showing??
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Hi Yogi,
Could you give us the weight of the Rhyzm please. Thanks, Tommi
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What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style
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i forgot, i have the rhyzm review here, just use the search button in the search thread
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70g for max. Refer to link below. Look for fatt's post. His is also same weight. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34743&PN=6&title=reporting-the-mass-of-your-uncut-rubbers |
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man, I am the biggest Rhyzm fan on this forum.
A couple of things that scare me: 1. spinier. Rhyzm is already spiny enough for me. Its easy to make it spinier by making the topsheet grippier, but you immediately make the rubber more reactive to incoming spin. I generally think that people in search of super spiny rubbers are looking at it all wrong. 2. lower throw. I really hope that's only because the sponge is softer. I find the throw of old rhysm fkn perfect. How low? 64 - low? That's a bit too low for me. If its because of the sponge softness, i am sure they will release a harder sponge later. So where can we buy this at a reasonable price?
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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I´m sorry, I ment that could you let as know the weight of the Rhyzm-p! I have used at least a dozen of regular Rhyzms in past few years so I know the weight of that. Sorry and thanks, Tommi
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What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style
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It's really quite different to the original. I wasn't expecting it, but there you go. It's easily as low as T64. Maybe a touch lower, especially on harder hits. It's 45deg, but it's not just the sponge hardness. I had it on the same blade as the Rhyzm 425, and the 425 was higher throw. |
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Great review yogi, as usual :)
Why I cant see picture? A two days ago I could see them Can you compare Xiom Vega Europe (42,5°) with Maxxx-P (42,5°) Or Xiom Omega 4 Europe (44°) with Rhyzm-P (45°) This would generally be compare between the older generation ESN rubber with the latest generation of which is adapted to poly balls. Thanks |
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there I fixed the pics are now back on!
srale, vega europe was the first xiom rubber i reviewed here in mytt 2009 but comparing it to the maxxx-p, the XVE feels a little more softer. it is strange the hardness is 42.5 yet the maxxx-p feels like a 45 I have not tried Omega iv europe that much sorry |
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i think it is posted above, approx. it is 68 grams uncut |
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Okay, now I´m ashamed. I have to start to read things through before askin question . I´m sorry again. Thanks for a great review! Tommi
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What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style
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1. possibly because of the polyball 2. more or less like t-64 i dont know who has this in the states now maybe forum member RicharD knows, he is a connected with Joola I think.
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Joola has already officially released the rubbers, so most Joola dealers should have them soon if not already.
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OOAK still doesn't have these 2 rubbers alex?
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Didn't find it either yet on most US online dealers. I found it on timtt.de though and from a dealer in Germany on ebay stores. Good review though Yogi_bear. Thanks!
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www.greenpaddle.com has it
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the best thing about joola is that they mention the sponge hardness on the Rhyzm packet... loud and clear.
I absolutely appreciate this candidness, transparency from the company... and i will support any company that provides definitive information to consumers...instead of flowery literature... and made up numbers about speed spin and control ...like xiom and donic. |
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How do I make a purchase and have it shipped to US? they don't have a link where to order online.
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I got my rhyzm-p from Bribhar here in the UK. I can order more and ship overseas if all else fails. Send a pm if interested.
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Will do very soon Keen to try it myself |
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could you PM me Alex soonest you have them? can't wait either, thanks in advance.. :D
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