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NextLevel 
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I saw Guardians of the Galaxy recently. Too many people are like the alien who is unable to comprehend metaphor. When told that metaphors goes over his head, he said that nothing went over his head ... that he was too fast and he would catch it before it had a chance to move...
Back to our regularly scheduled Big Dipper discussion.
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To me it's pretty typical that harder sponge pushes better. With soft sponges the ball sinks in and pops up.
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is this rubber a right choice for chopping? 38 degree.
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I've done a bit of chopping with it in drills and it's OK, nothing special IMO. It's a bit too non-linear in 38 degree for me for consistent controlled chopping. Might work better in a modern defender mixed-mode fashion.
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Posted: 03/21/2015 at 8:28pm |
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Wow, sounds like a big change from your slow, flexy innershield blade to the Sardius! I'm interested in comparison this rubber to the Vega Pro and Baracuda as now they can also be had for around $20.
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Posted: 03/23/2015 at 6:11am |
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thanks for your answer. but i think i'm wrong. i've purchased this rubber 38 degree with DONIC DEFPLAY blade, i don't like it.
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Well, I haven't tried it on a slow defensive blade before... |
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Posted: 03/23/2015 at 6:13pm |
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I have played with it on some defensive blades-yinhe (galaxy) LQ-1 and LQ-2 as well as a darker 7 ply def blade (only tried 40 degree on this but 38 on others). It plays well on all of the above. Not used it on a donic defplay.
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SADNESS!!! I have ripped 2 tenergy 05s and my hurricane prov in
a span of 2 months.. 190 bucks down the drain... (plus I just bought 90 balls a few days ago..) I have read some of the posts but there is way too many.. so I would like to ask you guys what the difference between a regular hurricane 3 boosted and big dipper is. both are around the same cost, but i haven't used hurricane 3 since the speed glue era and i get conflicting views on the big dipper. so, if you guys could let me know the pros and cons for both that would be great. thanks
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I just ordered two sheets of BD 28* from Cole for my new Viscaria. Super excited!
To answer your question, the obvious difference is H3 will need to be tuned, and if you're not used to that process or you find it tiresome, you might want to opt for something else. Also, Yinhe claims to have made DB with the 40+ plastic ball in mind. I've seen comments about how it's not that great with the old celluloid ball, but comes alive with the plastic ball. I haven't used a tuned sheet of H3, but I have some experience with regular H3, so I'll post my thoughts once I get some time with BD.
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Didn't play with it for long but Dipper felt close enough to prov h3 to me. Seems like bit more sticky version of Moon which is basically a slower Tenergy.
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Just wondering did any members here have boosted there Big Dipper? How did you like it after Boosting and what can you compare it to. What type of Booster did you use and what method? My H3 Neo Prov is pricey so looking for alternative and hoping it plays as well as my H3 Neo Prov. Thanks in advance for the replies.
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I have not boosted it and quite frankly I don't think it needs it. Earlier in the thread a few people mentioned they boosted it and ended up ruining it - bubbles and whatnot. I was using H3 Neo Prov 39 deg prior to the Big Dipper in 39 deg and I'm not going back. You'll lose a bit in the short game, but you gain on the offensive end. I think BD softens a bit over time so it definitely ends up softer than h3neo 39 with less tack.
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So hooksum are you saying the speed and spin is the same as the H3 neo prov but will lose a little in control on the short game.....and did you boost your h3 neo prov and with what booster?
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So Hooksumsnivy, what you are saying is that the speed and spin are comparable to the h3 neo prov but will lose a little control in the short game. When you did use h3 neo, may i ask did you boost and what brand of booster?
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I didn't boost h3 neo prov, but I could see why people did. Because there is less tack and it's a little bouncier, there's a little less spin and control in the short game. I don't think you lose any spin when looping, might even gain some. It's definitely faster than a stock h3 neo prov. Not sure how it would compare to a boosted one though. I tried it briefly on a balsa blade and I found it to be too fast. |
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The reason why i asked if you boosted your h3 is because i have tried playing h3 neo prov unboosted and it was very unresponsive compared to what i was using before i switched to h3 neo prov(was using Adidas P7 and Tenzone Ultra)...Then i decided to boost the h3 neo with a couple layers of Seamoon and the h3 neo prov turned into a different animal...softer, very fast and spinny just like a tensor. So i was wondering if the Big dipper will also change into a beast after boosting. I know the h3 neo is made for boosting....
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Posted: 03/25/2015 at 8:10pm |
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Dipper is already saturated. Any more and it would be hard to stick.
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Hurricane out of the pack is plenty spinny. Idk why people would boost it for spin lol. Heck. My 4 year old untuned hurricane spins better than a 1 year old tenergy and gives me enough speed.
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Ok so I posted the Question: Why Big Dipper over H3 Pro tuned? but it did not receive many interesting answers although a price issue was brought up.
So Let's try posting it here, maybe more of you are following this thread: I see several forum members here are using Big Dipper which seems really promising. Players like AndySmith and NextLevel - who I am sure have experimented a bit with rubbers and therefore know what they are chosing.
So the question is: Why Big Dipper over an H3 Provincial tuned (not Neo) is it because Big Dipper saves the hassle of tuning? Because of price maybe? or is there something about the rubber's properties which makes it a better choice? Tuned H3 Pro should be pretty fast - does the Big Dipper still offer more power anyway? Is it more forgiving / easier to play with? Giving more margin of error and saving points? Does it have any characteristics which H3 does not have? From what I read in this Big Dipper Mega thread - Big Dipper is a bit worse than all H3 strengths but a bit better than all H3 weaknesses... (power away from the table, blocking out of position, out of position loop, etc...) - is this comparison to a tuned H3 Pro or National? |
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Clarence,
Trust me, if I had used H3 Pro extensively, I would respond. But I was a T05 user. H3 Pro may have been too slow for me when I tried it, but I am not sure about today. IMO, the simplest answer is that Big Dipper is tacky and only cost $20. Try it out and you can always give it away if it doesn't suit you. If you like Chinese rubbers, but don't like to swing hard all the time, Big Dipper is a positive step. |
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I've never used H3 Pro tuned (or tuned anything for that matter), so I can't compare them. Without being able to compare the rubbers directly, these are my reasons:
I think the 1 thing that is missing from BD is a little more tackiness to improve the short game and service (which are still good, but not as good as h3/h3neo). Though I'm not sure how that would affect the other aspects of the game. |
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if you want bd with a little more tackiness, why not moon pro?
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I've never tried Moon Pro. Is it very similar to BD just with more tack? I see on your site that it comes in 38 degrees. Would you say that's the same as the BD in 38 degrees? I'm using 39 in BD. Off topic: When I checked your site I saw your comments on Saturn Pro. How much does an uncut sheet of that weigh? |
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When people say "H3 Pro," I never know if they're talking about H3 provincial, Nittaku H3 Pro, or professional H3
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I´m quite frustrated of Euro ESN tensor with this new ball so im planning to switch to Chinese rubbers once again. I´m struggling on short game even more that before with this crappy rubber due to the poor grip of Euro ESN. I was a happy Grip-S Europe user, but quit using because of their random QC´S. Could you compare BD with discontinued GSE?
I also wonder why There´s barely any info about H8, is it the same rubbish as this H3-50 or new Skyline-60? |
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Nittaku H3 Pro chinese sponge, but that is the same as H3 provincial but you're guaranteed a good one (of course at the extra expense).
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Hmmm my brother plays with Moon pro, so I get to use it often, to me it's not tacky - sure it lifts the ball for a second when it's pressed upon it (when the rubber is new), but essentially it is a grippy rubber and works like a grippy rubber. In fact it kind of reminds me of a Tenergy 05 Knock off - with 75% of the properties (spin / speed), but less spin sensitive and easier to control. I recommend Moon Pro to any player who plays with Mark V, Sriver etc... and wants to transition to faster, spinnier rubbers... Moon Pro is a great in between rubber - reminds me of a Stiga Magna with 1 glue layer coming to think of it! I wonder who even remembers this rubber ***nostalgia**** But it has a very Euro feel to it - maybe not ESN feel, but Jap feel for sure. If Big Dipper feels like this... I would say Big Dipper is not even a hybrid as such...but just a Jap type rubber dipping it's toes into CHinese waters :)
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Well, I don't know how tacky people think is tacky but I still play matches with Big Dipper I bought in October last year and its still tacky.
People, it is a cheap rubber. Rather than ask too many questions, buy one and test. Pass it on if you don't like. |
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Next level makes me want to try this rubber when I get it in
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