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i was under the impression that their new Quantum rubbers haven't even got widely distributed let alone coming out with another new rubber.

okay, saw the link to the taobao... i'm very skeptical now...
it's like some minor deal tibhar europe made for tibhar china... i don't think it's going to go international like mx-p/mx-s and the likes. the price, the looks of the rubber and the packaging they all seem off to me.

it might be good rubber for the price range, but i don't think it will be a contestant for the big weight class of OVA, MXP/MXS and the likes. more like in the somewhat range of tin arc, STN and the likes

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Originally posted by rokphish rokphish wrote:

i was under the impression that their new Quantum rubbers haven't even got widely distributed let alone coming out with another new rubber.

okay, saw the link to the taobao... i'm very skeptical now...
it's like some minor deal tibhar europe made for tibhar china... i don't think it's going to go international like mx-p/mx-s and the likes. the price, the looks of the rubber and the packaging they all seem off to me.

it might be good rubber for the price range, but i don't think it will be a contestant for the big weight class of OVA, MXP/MXS and the likes. more like in the somewhat range of tin arc, STN and the likes


Quantum is everywhere, at least over here in Europe.  I'm not sure how successful it's been though.  Don't see many people using it.

It does look like it's aimed at the asian market, but you might expect that with it being tacky.  I still think that it looks interesting.  I enjoyed Xiom Tau a lot but it was brutal to use.  This could be a milder, more controllable ESN tacky rubber.  Even if it just gets to the performance level of STN, that's OK by me because the QC and consistency will probably be higher, and it fits the price bracket.  But if it never leaves the asian market then that's a worry.
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I fear it could be typical relabeled grip-s wich had teahadichrrible qc`sfrombatchsues fro batch to another. If its something nice they might haved listed on euro 2016 catalogue, isnt it?
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

I fear it could be typical relabeled grip-s wich had teahadichrrible qc`sfrombatchsues fro batch to another. If its something nice they might haved listed on euro 2016 catalogue, isnt it?

Grip-S was made in china by Haifu, but Hybrid K1 is Made in Germany according to the package.  Which is mainly why I'm interested.

I'm a bit surprised that they haven't bothered to release it globally.  Hard to say why they made that decision.
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probably because it's not up to snuff Tongue

i will get one and try it when i go to china in april, but i think you will beat me to it, as i don't think you can wait that long... i will also be waiting for your review... Wink


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Andy, is Omega V Asia better in 2.0mm or Max?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Andy, is Omega V Asia better in 2.0mm or Max?


My first sheet was Max, but my 2nd 2.0 in an attempt to save weight. The sponge is hard enough that bottoming out is a pipe dream anyway. I've stuck with 2.0 since because I just can't see me getting any benefit from the extra thickness.

I had a full session with it again tonight and it was super awesome, as ever. I really shouldn't try new things. Pointless now.

Are you thinking of dipping your toes in?
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Someone got me 2 sheets in max so I am trying to figure out whether it is worth it or not.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Someone got me 2 sheets in max so I am trying to figure out whether it is worth it or not.

Hard to say.  Not the thickness (doesn't matter really, still great in max), but if it will work for you.  I went Big Dipper -> MX-S but found it unforgiving on finer contact brushing, and OVA was just the ticket for me.  But, in comparison with MX-S, it feels less direct and nowhere near as sharp, especially on blocks and drives.  You've since gone to MX-P.  It's really tough to picture how OVA would feel to you, or how it would suit your game.

OVA's main feature which I can't find anywhere else is how it effortlessly supports mixed looping.  Counters stay low and nasty, general topspin has medium arc and linear delivery, sharp brushing has high arc.  It's so easy to mix this all together and chain a large variety of loops together.  This makes it far easier for me to use in comparison with MX-S where the throw stays stubbornly low, but MX-P is undoubtedly faster in the low/medium gears, so you would be trading speed for spin and bringing in a slightly squishy feel on flatter shots I guess.

Or just sell them to me.
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Well, I will open on sheet and give it a try. I still haven't received it yet. I will probably send you the other one. Right now, I am testing EL-P and surprisingly like it. It has the sponge Baracuda should have had. I haven't decided to go all in yet but it is getting closer...
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Well, I will open on sheet and give it a try. I still haven't received it yet. I will probably send you the other one. Right now, I am testing EL-P and surprisingly like it. It has the sponge Baracuda should have had. I haven't decided to go all in yet but it is getting closer...

I'm very interested to find out what you think of it.

EL-P is the Evolution rubber I've spent the least time with.  How are you finding it in comparison with MX-P?

Donic should really pull their fingers out and make an updated version of Baracuda.
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I just moved from EL-P 2.0 as my FH rubber to OVA 2.0. So far so good. I have nothing bad to say about EL-P at all but my ball seems a bit more spinny with the OVA. I did have to adjust my pushes just a bit. With the harder sponge I had to make sure I wasn't digging into the sponge to bring the ball down a bit. But my mid distance blocks were better due to the harder sponge. Loops and drives are excellent. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Well, I will open on sheet and give it a try. I still haven't received it yet. I will probably send you the other one. Right now, I am testing EL-P and surprisingly like it. It has the sponge Baracuda should have had. I haven't decided to go all in yet but it is getting closer...


I'm very interested to find out what you think of it.

EL-P is the Evolution rubber I've spent the least time with.  How are you finding it in comparison with MX-P?

Donic should really pull their fingers out and make an updated version of Baracuda.


It's an excellent rubber. It's feels more like T05 than MX-P does in some ways but has a lower arc. But the defensive control very much compensates. My pushes have never been better. It is like a cheaper and more linear T80/05. I don't feel I have lost anything and I just have to decide whether I want to commit or not. I probably have more upward motion in my stroke than ideal for 05. Very very underrated rubber.
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Lots of happy people.  Can't argue with that.  I'm still pratting around with my BH rubber (mainly between JP02 and OVE), so I might go down the log1c1an route and give EL-P a fair crack.

(pssst, Donic.  Plastic-optimised version of Baracuda.  Paracuda.  You know you want to)
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Lots of happy people.  Can't argue with that.  I'm still pratting around with my BH rubber (mainly between JP02 and OVE), so I might go down the log1c1an route and give EL-P a fair crack.

(pssst, Donic.  Plastic-optimised version of Baracuda.  Paracuda.  You know you want to)

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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Lots of happy people.  Can't argue with that.  I'm still pratting around with my BH rubber (mainly between JP02 and OVE), so I might go down the log1c1an route and give EL-P a fair crack.

(pssst, Donic.  Plastic-optimised version of Baracuda.  Paracuda.  You know you want to)
Don't you find the jp02 really heavy for its sponge hardness? I havnt measured it'd weight but found it as heavy or maybe a bit heavier than mx-p, OVE definitely a lot lighter. Have you tried xiom vega pro on yua bh perhaps?

I found mx-s a bit tough to do fine contact strokes on a sams force pro be, Atleast compared to mx-s on my vega pro blade (my vega pro has a bit harder feel than all the other vego pros iv tried, and a lot harder than the sams force pro be I tried).

Loving the mx-s on my FH! Can play lazy no more, even while playing against lower rated players haha! always need to put in a decent stoke which I kinda like, especially since it rewards you on a well committed shot), and is pretty darn easy to block with!
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Originally posted by nv42 nv42 wrote:


Don't you find the jp02 really heavy for its sponge hardness? I havnt measured it'd weight but found it as heavy or maybe a bit heavier than mx-p, OVE definitely a lot lighter. 

Yes, it's definitely heavy for a "medium" rubber.  I like lots of things about JP02, and OVE (which is lighter, as you say), but they both have niggly little frustrating things about them.  JP02 feels very stiff in some way on any low-effort shot, so I end up with some instances of the ball stalling on me (my fault, not the rubber of course).  Then I switch to OVE and it's great apart from when well away from the table, where it feels a little bit unstable in comparison.  So I just bounce from one to the other, like the idiot I am.  Really, I should stick to OVE because it suits my game far more, but I get suckered in to using JP02 after a long distance loop rally.

Originally posted by nv42 nv42 wrote:

Have you tried xiom vega pro on yua bh perhaps? 

Not for ages.  I found it a bit hard overall.  Classic rubber though.

Originally posted by nv42 nv42 wrote:


Loving the mx-s on my FH! Can play lazy no more, even while playing against lower rated players haha! always need to put in a decent stoke which I kinda like, especially since it rewards you on a well committed shot), and is pretty darn easy to block with!

It's definitely a training aid if nothing else!  It does not forgive cackhandedness.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Someone got me 2 sheets in max so I am trying to figure out whether it is worth it or not.

Hard to say.  Not the thickness (doesn't matter really, still great in max), but if it will work for you.  I went Big Dipper -> MX-S but found it unforgiving on finer contact brushing, and OVA was just the ticket for me.  But, in comparison with MX-S, it feels less direct and nowhere near as sharp, especially on blocks and drives.  You've since gone to MX-P.  It's really tough to picture how OVA would feel to you, or how it would suit your game.

OVA's main feature which I can't find anywhere else is how it effortlessly supports mixed looping.  Counters stay low and nasty, general topspin has medium arc and linear delivery, sharp brushing has high arc.  It's so easy to mix this all together and chain a large variety of loops together.  This makes it far easier for me to use in comparison with MX-S where the throw stays stubbornly low, but MX-P is undoubtedly faster in the low/medium gears, so you would be trading speed for spin and bringing in a slightly squishy feel on flatter shots I guess.

Or just sell them to me.

I rebuilt a lot of my game with Big Dipper.  I thought MX-S was close, but this is even closer.  Maybe I should get 2.0 but I am probably going to stick with Max for the foreseeable future.  I wish I had listened to you and General Specific much earlier.  It is slowish on flat hits, almost like a tacky rubber, but still much better than a tacky rubber.

I think I now know what I am when it comes to TT equipment - I am a medium to fast offiensive blade, slow offensive rubber kinda guy.  This is right in that wheelhouse.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Someone got me 2 sheets in max so I am trying to figure out whether it is worth it or not.

Hard to say.  Not the thickness (doesn't matter really, still great in max), but if it will work for you.  I went Big Dipper -> MX-S but found it unforgiving on finer contact brushing, and OVA was just the ticket for me.  But, in comparison with MX-S, it feels less direct and nowhere near as sharp, especially on blocks and drives.  You've since gone to MX-P.  It's really tough to picture how OVA would feel to you, or how it would suit your game.

OVA's main feature which I can't find anywhere else is how it effortlessly supports mixed looping.  Counters stay low and nasty, general topspin has medium arc and linear delivery, sharp brushing has high arc.  It's so easy to mix this all together and chain a large variety of loops together.  This makes it far easier for me to use in comparison with MX-S where the throw stays stubbornly low, but MX-P is undoubtedly faster in the low/medium gears, so you would be trading speed for spin and bringing in a slightly squishy feel on flatter shots I guess.

Or just sell them to me.

I rebuilt a lot of my game with Big Dipper.  I thought MX-S was close, but this is even closer.  Maybe I should get 2.0 but I am probably going to stick with Max for the foreseeable future.  I wish I had listened to you and General Specific much earlier.  It is slowish on flat hits, almost like a tacky rubber, but still much better than a tacky rubber.

I think I now know what I am when it comes to TT equipment - I am a medium to fast offiensive blade, slow offensive rubber kinda guy.  This is right in that wheelhouse.

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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Really, I should stick to OVE because it suits my game far more, but I get suckered in to using JP02 after a long distance loop rally.

Not sure which one, but are you using a Donic Crest model?

If you're using Donic Crest OFF, then definitely try Acuda P2 for BH. I tried it on the MJ-SZLC (which has a sort-of similar type of construction with hard limba outer) and it is a amazing fit.

The advantage over OVE and Rasant Grip is that the sponge of P2 seems to be firmer (because it has smaller pores). So, it does not bottom out as fast as those 2. It's throw & spin do not collapse / vanish on slighty harder strokes either.

P2 seems to be spinnier than RG or OVE on proper BH loops.

The most often cited P2 disadvantages (1. topsheet is soft and 2. It has less catapult on soft strokes) are both ameliorated by using a fast blade (like the Donic Crest OFF or the MJ-SZLC). To me, it seems to be as fast as M2 which is fast enough. 
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I tried P2 (and P3) on release but had usability issues.  I agree with what you say about P2 but on this blade (it's the Crest AR+ which is softer than the Off) I had some problems with the off/on gearing and it drove me up the wall in match situations.  OVE seems better in this regard, but I'm still pratting around with BH options and I might take a trip back through time to try some older classics out.

To be honest, I have the BH yips at the moment and should just stick with something until it goes away.
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anyone tried BD2? 

Which will be the retail price?
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

anyone tried BD2? 

Which will be the retail price?
Could you please share some info on BD2? Personally, I haven't heard about it yet but surely am intrigued.
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