How to Beat a Tibhar DTects Pushblocker

there's many way play with LP, find your own way by play more with them..
when you get used to LP, No-Spin, heavy-Spin, whatever shots will work.
Just like the video General Specific post.
Is not because of high serve works..Is because they are in different level...the other guy reads LP spin well.

Speedplay wrote: bbkon wrote: never said the player never improved so i think there is more than a way to beat that player, i think i need to play slower, feed him a slow loop to the fh and then a slow loop to the bh, btw he covers all the table with his bh If this is true, then make sure to play him deep to his bh, preferably light top spin, make him feel comfortable in that corner, then attack wide to his fh. As a sp player, you should already have the advantage against a pushblocker, cause sp is probably the worst thing to play against when trying to play a pushblocking game.

Edited by bbkon - 09/25/2014 at 2:19pm

BH-Man wrote: Get a ball you can predict, spin it heavy and medium high to his BH corner. If he doesn't mistake the block, you will get a ball to rip.

bbkon wrote: This player uses his BH in both corners, i dont know what should be called BH, left corner of the table?..i ve been beating him some months ago just overpowering him but he s playing lower balls now and i m afraid to attack

 

Hey PP Holic... He (Jay) came down one day later. It is good (or maybe too bad) Jay didn't make it to the Korean club when we were there. You put me and Jay and a Korean crowd in a Korean TT club and look out, it is going to be too much fun for a human to handle. I say that despite all the fun adventure You, Carl, and I had over there.

strategy helps, but if he is much higher rated than you, its not gona work.

The best strategy against any pushblocker is to play as little spin as possible unless you are going for the kill shot. Our control depends greatly on the amount of spin that our opponents produce. Long pips, even the grippiest ones do not produce a whole lot of spin themselves and if you don't spin into the pips, you will never get a lot of spin back. Furthermore, it is difficult to attack low or no spin balls with long pips, so any strategy that involves low spin will work well.

bbkon, there was a Korean dude on the Boston team 1500-1700 rating range who had SP on his BH with a shakehand bat. Prolly not this guy.

Pushblocker wrote: The best strategy against any pushblocker is to play as little spin as possible unless you are going for the kill shot. Our control depends greatly on the amount of spin that our opponents produce. Long pips, even the grippiest ones do not produce a whole lot of spin themselves and if you don't spin into the pips, you will never get a lot of spin back. Furthermore, it is difficult to attack low or no spin balls with long pips, so any strategy that involves low spin will work well.

bbkon wrote: Pushblocker wrote: The best strategy against any pushblocker is to play as little spin as possible unless you are going for the kill shot. Our control depends greatly on the amount of spin that our opponents produce. Long pips, even the grippiest ones do not produce a whole lot of spin themselves and if you don't spin into the pips, you will never get a lot of spin back. Furthermore, it is difficult to attack low or no spin balls with long pips, so any strategy that involves low spin will work well. i guess if this tips applies to tibhar dtects or any LP, IF i serve fast backspin will return like top?

Depending on the pip, it will return dead ball or light to moderat topspin. DTecS has most reversal, so you'll probably get the most topspin from a DtecS.. It also depends on HOW the opponent blocks it. The earlier the opponent blocks the ball, the more topspin will be on it. The stroke can also make a difference. If the pips players moves up the blade during contact, he will get more topspin and if he cuts it down like chopping, it'll likely be more like a dead ball on the return.. On a sideswipe return, it could be either.

bbkon wrote: Pushblocker wrote: bbkon wrote: Pushblocker wrote: The best strategy against any pushblocker is to play as little spin as possible unless you are going for the kill shot. Our control depends greatly on the amount of spin that our opponents produce. Long pips, even the grippiest ones do not produce a whole lot of spin themselves and if you don't spin into the pips, you will never get a lot of spin back. Furthermore, it is difficult to attack low or no spin balls with long pips, so any strategy that involves low spin will work well. i guess if this tips applies to tibhar dtects or any LP, IF i serve fast backspin will return like top? Depending on the pip, it will return dead ball or light to moderat topspin. DTecS has most reversal, so you'll probably get the most topspin from a DtecS.. It also depends on HOW the opponent blocks it. The earlier the opponent blocks the ball, the more topspin will be on it. The stroke can also make a difference. If the pips players moves up the blade during contact, he will get more topspin and if he cuts it down like chopping, it'll likely be more like a dead ball on the return.. On a sideswipe return, it could be either. Cool tip, why  have you stopped playing with Dtects?

Tibhar changed the pip length and rubber mix on the rubber. About 3 to 4 years ago, some players in germany got disqualified for using a untreated Tibhar Grass DtecS because the pips exceeded the 2.0 mm length (OX pips may not exceed 2 mm in length including the thickness of the basesheet). Turns out that Tibhar's quality control was not too good and some of their rubbers were 2.03. to 2.11 mm thick. This caused Tibhar to reduce the size of the pips as also their rubber mix. Their pips length went from about 1.65 mm (with a .35mm base sheet) to 1.50 mm and it's not clearly below the 2.00 mm mark. However, the properties of the rubber changed significantly, especially when blocking powerful loops. On the "old" Dtecs, it was able to block short against hard hits.. With the shorter DTecS, the ball will bottom out at the base sheet and go long.
I went to Talon as Talon has very similar pips structure than DtecS but longer pips.  Talon comes in at about 1.70 mm pips length with a 0.30 mm topsheet, coming in at exactly 2.00 mm. 
What matters when blocking with long pips at a high level is on how effective the rubber can "brake" the ball when blocking powerful loops.. With Talon, I can block the hardest hits short provided that I can get my hands on the ball.. With the new Dtecs, it would always go long :(
P.S. If Tibhar would've just reduced the thickness of the basesheet instead, it would've been much better. However, life expectency of the rubber would've been decreased that way but properties would've been a lot better.. Longer pips on thinner base sheet causes the pips to be more flexible.


Edited by Pushblocker - 09/29/2014 at 12:28pm

BH-Man wrote: bbkon, there was a Korean dude on the Boston team 1500-1700 rating range who had SP on his BH with a shakehand bat. Prolly not this guy.   Do you mean my former club's J-Pen SP player that I used to occasionally post about, who is now Div 0 city level about 2250 or so USATT level? He is on far side single sided J-Pen SP player, from 2010 Seungnam Div 3 natl finals.   http://youtu.be/O0wfHz3dz4Q

mts388 wrote: When I play a LP'er OX I never serve sidespin.  I almost always serve a very low,  fast ball with as much backspin as I can deep into their pips.  I know I'm getting no spin to topspin back.  I then hit their return as hard as I can to their hitting elbow or wide to their inverted.  My intent is to end the rally with that hit.  If the ball comes back I will push it back to their pips and drive it hard again.  My feeling is that the longer rallies favor the LP'er so I try to end them as quick as I can.

I do the opposite against pushblockers who do not attack well.

The longer the point, the more I get used to their pips, the easier it is to attack. Longer points favor me.

BH-Man wrote: My former club ex-ace (he moved to another club) kept changing his FH SP rubber and prolly used Extend at one time. The J-Pen guy in the vid is prolly the dude then and now, he is easily a full level better player. He was an elite junior TT athlete in middle school, but left TT in HS started again after college.

Pushblocker wrote: qpskfec wrote: mts388 wrote: When I play a LP'er OX I never serve sidespin.  I almost always serve a very low,  fast ball with as much backspin as I can deep into their pips.  I know I'm getting no spin to topspin back.  I then hit their return as hard as I can to their hitting elbow or wide to their inverted.  My intent is to end the rally with that hit.  If the ball comes back I will push it back to their pips and drive it hard again.  My feeling is that the longer rallies favor the LP'er so I try to end them as quick as I can.  I do the opposite against pushblockers who do not attack well. The longer the point, the more I get used to their pips, the easier it is to attack. Longer points favor me. It really depends on what playing level a pushblocker plays.. This is a style with very few players above 2100 level.. I personally try to have a lot of variation of pace and placement which makes it difficult for most opponents to get a playing rhythm against my style.

Agreed. I haven't played any pushblockers with your variation. Most LP people I play are not at your level. I have played roundrobin once or twice, but he attacks with the fh, so tactics would have to change.