is it confirmed chinese players boost rubbers?

Edited by roundrobin - 09/19/2017 at 6:28pm

berndt_mann wrote: Samson Dubina on Boosting, YouTube:

And this matters because???

I mean at least get cite someone relevant to the sport like LGL and not some random "man of integrity" you just happened to come across.

roundrobin wrote: berndt_mann wrote: Samson Dubina on Boosting, YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HdWGPV62qs I have known Samson Dubina.  I have practiced with Samson Dubina at the Canton, Ohio Table Tennis club when Samson was a junior.  He is a player, and a man, of integrity.   Watch this six minute long video clip. Ok, I watched it. Where is the evidence that players boosted illegally? He did not make a testament that he witnessed them boosting with banned substance (were they simply gluing the legally boosted/tuned rubber on a blade or actually performing "boosting"), which is required in a court of law. *Interesting comments below the video.

And so Berndt? Wjat is your point? One that you havent already made?

Yes. He said everyone in the professional league he played in at that time applied their own booster. That was a European league. That was several years ago. No readon to think anything has changed.

I don't think he could have first hand knowledge about CNT.

(roundrobin, OOAK Table Tennis Forum, 2011)

This part is pure speculation on my part. It's interesting that Boll and Mizutani have been the loudest two opponents of boosters. Both were at one time promoted in their respective countries and elsewhere as the player to break the Chinese dominance at the big events, and both have peaked a little short of that.

Perhaps it is easier for them to rationalise this in their own minds by blaming it on boosters, rather than accepting that the top Chinese were that little bit better than them.

I am not a fan of the ITTF!!!!!

I am a fan of table tennis, especially all the great players of my lifetime that I have been able to see. Bengtsson, Johansson, Surbek, Waldner, Gatien, Persson, KLH, WLQ, ML. Also Zhang Yining, and many others. The matches we watch are incredible feats of athleticism and skill, and in my view, the game continues to evolve and players are getting better.

I suppose I admire the players of the 30s for their accomplishments but I have no emotional connection to that era.  I am one of the oldest posters here, and by the time I started playing tournaments, inverted rubber was already what every top player used and hardbat was an anachronism.

Now if you don't share that love for our sport, and clearly you don't, really WTF are you doing here except trolling? That is a serious question. So far the answer for a long time now has been "nothing". That cannot be the answer much longer.

By the way, in case anyone wonders how I can hold such views (liking to watch Ma Long vs FZD but not liking the ITTF), soccer is the most popular sport in the world by far, but who in their right mind admires FIFA? Or the IOC? Or the NFL owners?

The subject discussed is do the pros boost?

Edited by berndt_mann - 09/17/2017 at 11:03pm

"The subject discussed is do the pros boost?

I suspect that at the start the OP wanted to know what is the most potent booster he could try (based on the third comment in the thread, on 05FX), and from there it spun in its predictable directions -- as with every other boosting thread.  Of course, if that is the case, we don't know if the OP would ever use it in tournament or if he plays tournaments, or what.  But he has not returned to the thread since.  I can't blame him.

Fulanodetal wrote: Bard, its not that I dont think they don't boost. I have a feeling they do as well. But the topic here is "IS IT CONFIRMED"...and that's where the issue of testable evidence comes in. If that is too hard for you to understand then tough. I don't have time to go get some crayons to explain it to you. FdT

bard romance wrote: Your tough guy post comes off as forced and is pretty funny in light of the fact that you do, in fact, have time to explain given how active you've been on this thread. Anyways, my post wasn't directed at you, but, perhaps you misunderstood it so let me clarify. It is confirmed that pros boost because I and many others have seen it with our own eyes and you could easily get first hand accounts if you really wanted. Someone mentioned that Kristian Karlsson made an internet post to this effect somewhere.  So if you guys really want an answer to your question like normal people then there it is, move on with your life. But I don't suspect this is the case. It seems you wish to keep on playing pretend judge, so then continue with your hypothetical court case over table tennis booster. Please let me know if Karlsson's testimony would hold up in a court of table tennis booster law, I don't know I'm not a lawyer. I'm also sure I could find pictures on social media connecting pro players and booster, or I could go over to some coach's house and show you endless bottles of booster and rubbers drying but you seem like the type of guy that would say that it's just a room decoration and wouldn't implicate the player at all. So, as I said, for the people who actually wanted an answer to their question, there it is, I'll let the rest of y'all play your hypothetical game. Let me know if you need a gavel as a prop.

The only fantasy I see is your claim that you know for sure you are right.

"confirmed" and "alleged" are two different things bard.