Nittaku Premium 40+ balls (Japan)

DIVERSITY OF THE BALLS IS A REAL BENEFIT FOR OUR SPORT.


According to the elementary mechanics:
--The lesser mass of a ball, the greater rotation the ball would display in looping play.   
This is the true scientifical answer why Nittaku plastic is the best spinny ball of all the others on today's market.

Still, my inner whisperer tells me that a vast majority of the seniors and common club incomers will eventually prefer DHS 40+ (=2.80g) to play with, just because of the not-so-crazy spin and speed generated by the DHS weighty plastic.


BLESSED DIVERSITY.
Let there be some diversity of tt balls on the market. Players must be allowed to make theit own preffered choice. Defensive players will surely like the lighter-softer balls, and heavy loopers will opt for hefty species

LET IT BE SO !!!!!!

Edited by igorponger - 10/18/2014 at 3:26am

Baal wrote: We didn't break one tonight.

...when using multiple balls?

I have to ask that, because your report contradicts the ones I read after the recent European Championship where the same Nittaku Premium 40+ were used.

igorponger wrote: DIVERSITY OF THE BALLS IS A REAL BENEFIT FOR OUR SPORT. According to the elementary mechanics: --The lesser mass of a ball, the greater rotation the ball would display in looping play.    This is the true scientifical answer why Nittaku plastic is the best spinny ball of all the others on today's market. Still, my inner whisperer tells me that a vast majority of the seniors and common club incomers will eventually prefer DHS 40+ (=2.80g) to play with, just because of the not-so-crazy spin and speed generated by the DHS weighty plastic. BLESSED DIVERSITY. Let there be some diversity of tt balls on the market. Players must be allowed to make theit own preffered choice. Defensive players will surely like the lighter-softer balls, and heavy loopers will opt for hefty species LET IT BE SO !!!!!!

Mastermind wrote: Baal wrote: We didn't break one tonight. ...when using multiple balls? I have to ask that, because your report contradicts the ones I read after the recent European Championship where the same Nittaku Premium 40+ were used.

I haven't made a decision as to their durability.  That is pretty obvious from what I wrote.  I said we didn't break one.  I mostly used one last night.  Guys on the next table used another one the entire rest of the night.  Of course I expect balls to last beyond a full night. 

My reports as to the durability of, for example, XSF balls, I assure you, are more accurate than anything you may have "heard" somewhere.

And there was no control group.  How many celluloid balls would break in that time for players at that level?

I would say the verdict is out on the durability of the Nittaku Premium balls.  (By contrast, I have decades of experience with how long balls usually last when I play with them).  Personally I will be surprised if they are anywhere near as durable as XSF.  But I just don't know yet.

And yes, Mastermind was certainly exaggerating earlier when he wrote that the Nittaku Premium balls had developed a "bad reputation".  Those few lines he quoted that did not accurately reflect the entire picture with these balls even from this  person's experience, and more importantly we have not heard from anyone else.

OK.  We have heard you.  Again.  What you read on the German site was that a XSF ball broke. You suggested they might even be dangerous!!!!!   It turns out, however, that XSF balls are highly durable.

You really have no credibility because you are not objective on this subject. 

Baal wrote: What you read on the German site was that a ball broke. You suggested they might even be dangerous!!!!!

It was the author of the comment who suggested that. I gave the link and you read the original. Besides, I do not understand, why we should change the topic now.

The topic is "Nittaku Premium 40+ balls (Japan)", not how dangerous the XSF balls are or not.

Mastermind wrote: Baal wrote: What you read on the German site was that a ball broke. You suggested they might even be dangerous!!!!! It was the author of the comment who suggested that. I gave the link and you read the original. Besides, I do not understand, why we should change the topic now. The topic is "Nittaku Premium 40+ balls (Japan)", not how dangerous the XSF balls are or not.

I know. I started the topic.  And you most certainly did write comments about how can people be expected to use such dangerous stuff as the XSF.  This part of this thread is now about YOU.  You seem to take even the slightest positive comment about any plastic ball as an offense and a provocation, and like I said, you have zero objectivity (as evidenced by your pretty ridiculous comments about the XSF ball breakage some time back).  Well, these balls are here, and some people want to know about them even if it makes you sad.   

One other thing that maybe someone who was there can tell me.....  Was the Nittaku ball used at the European Championships that Nittaku Premium or the Nittaku SHA?  They are both "new balls". 

Mastermind wrote: Baal wrote: You are grasping at straws for the moment. You do not need to fight me. I am not Sabine Winter. If you do not believe her, you can address her on the German Forum at tt-news or on her blog. I quoted her and gave the original link.

Yes you quoted her.  A single quote does not establish a "reputation" for a product--the word you used on a different thread-- especially when you don't provide the whole quote.

Baal wrote: Yes you quoted her.  A single quote does not establish a "reputation" for a product--the word you used on a different thread-- especially when you don't provide the whole quote.

When talking about reputation for Nittaku Premium 40+ balls I actually meant the impression of users on tt-news forum who commented on the finals they watched, where according to them an unusual number of balls got broken. The Sabine Winter report was published later and is just another confirmation.

Summary of comments before this little back and forth. 

1.  The Nittaku Premium 40+ (not the same as the Nittaku SHA 40+) plays more like celluloid than any other plastic ball I have tested (and that is a very large number).  It is a bit lighter than the others but is still large and has less speed and spin than celluloid.  It is very round.  It has a bounce height identical to celluloid.  I feels more solid than XSF but both are good.  I am starting to have the slight impression that Nittaku Premium retains slightly more spin off the bounce than seamless balls. It is much easier to play with than other seamed balls.    

2.  I don't know about its durability yet.  The outside wears more than a XSF (seamless) ball.

3.  It is very expensive and once again, vendors including Iruiru are back ordered.

Baal wrote: One other thing that maybe someone who was there can tell me.....  Was the Nittaku ball used at the European Championships that Nittaku Premium or the Nittaku SHA?  They are both "new balls".

Just read the prospectus (http://www.ettu.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2014-ETC-LISBON-PROSPECTUS-final1.pdf): Balls: NITTAKU PREMIUM (white plastic with seam)

Just played with premium nittaku and yes that ball is premium.
It's hard to see the seam. It's hard, round, not that big, feels hard, bounce is very similar to celluloid balls. Just a little bit less spinny but it's the best 40+ ball by far. It's a shame that ball is expensive...   

XSF balls usually exceed useful lifetime of celluloid.  When they do break there will be no doubt about it because they fracture completely, often during a point.  I have one in my bag that was used hard for 12 hr and that you might still want to use, and like you, I generally relegated celluloid balls to serving practice at 3-7 hr (see below about conditions at my club).  The surface of XSF in particular is pretty durable.  There is no reason at all to worry about these balls based on durability.

Seamed Chinese polyballs, I had a lot of them break quite quickly.  My first 6-box of Joola 40+ lasted about 4 days.  All of the ones I have tried from various companies were made in June.  There is a widespread concern about durability.  I can't personally say whether the DF versions are better than DH versions or not in terms of durability.  Some people think they play better.  

I have not yet broken a Nittaku Premium but it is too soon for me to say much about durability.  I have noticed that the outer surface picks up mars much more easily than XSF.  But they definitely have a nice feel to play with.  Based on appearance of outer surface after a few hours of play, my guess is that durability will not be a strength of the Nittaku Premium.

I play at clubs with red Gerflor-like flooring which tends to increase ball lifetime, and the place I play the most has a dark green colored tarp nailed to the walls to improve visibility, but which also keeps the balls from hitting such a hard surface.   On the other hand, I also play with some people who hit really hard and some of the balls have been used by 2500 players. 

My very best compliments to DHS chemical staff.

The quality of plastic material has notably progressed by now. NO breackage of DHS40+ happened all along the matches of the recent Women's Cup
The newest batch of DHS plastic of September2014 proved to have the best durability and happy improvement of the ball ballistics.
THe DHS balls to celebrate are marked with production code XJAD