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Yup. It's Skyline 3, but on a #60 sponge.
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/dhs-skyline-3-60-tt98375548#.VEohzBt0x9A This I am interested in. I like the Skyline 3 topsheet a LOT. |
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Andy when it writes #60, means that the hardness is 60 degrees?
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Nope - it's the code number of the DHS sponge. So, the H3-50 uses the #50 sponge, and I guess that Skyline 3-60 uses the #60 sponge. The #50 and #60 sponges are the Tinarc and Tinarc3 porous sponges (have I got those the right way around?). I think #50 is used on Goldarc3 too. They will be available in different hardnesses too. |
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Tried H3-50. Not impressed. Curious to see how this one plays.
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I know I'm in the minority here, but I liked H3-50. Easily pleased I guess.
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I think you have it the other way around Andy. From pics I saw at least, looked like H3-50 was on a TA3 sponge. If the #60 is the regular TinArc sponge, I'll try this for sure.
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Im interested in this as well. Can someone do a review once you get it please?
Also there is H3-50 and H3-50 Soft? Has anyone tried the soft? I'm assuming they will do the same with Skyline-60 rubbers. Edited by DreiZ - 10/24/2014 at 10:19am |
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Yeah, I've been confused about this from the moment H3-50 came out. I remember reading that TA was #50 and TA3 was #60. I've just searched, and have a look at Antiq's posts here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42032&title=dhs-tin-arc-review Now, I know that this means that the colours don't match up, but it's not outside the realms of possibility that DHS changed the colours around. Or is it something other than the colour which gives the game away? Still, yes. I could very well have it the wrong way around. After all, if GoldArc3 uses #50, you might expect TA3 to use #50 based on the naming convention. |
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Yup, I used the soft H3-50. It's good if you play all-out, big swings, heavy looping. Quite slow overall though, so I didn't like the performance when driving the ball - not dangerous enough for my needs. Would need a fast and/or hard blade to liven it up. Amazing control over the table though. Probably becomes a monster if you boost it... TT11 already list Soft and Med-Hard versions of Skyline 3-60. |
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which blade did you use it on? and which one would you prefer on an all wood and which one would go better on a comp such as TB ALC? |
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I used it on a ton of blades. JRE (too mushy), Peterpan (good, but lacked power away from the table), Arirang (same as JRE really), Hypertouch (good, smooth feel, but a bit indirect in feedback), Calix 2 (really very highly excellent). IMO, H3-50 (soft) needs a hard outer ply to help it feel more direct in play. A powerful blade helps too. The Calix 2 was perfect for me (I still have thoughts of going back to that blade, maybe when the new ball is adopted in my local league). I'd look to blades with hard wood outers - Adidas Avenger series, Stiga Emerald/Rosewood/Ebenholtz, YEO. Although the Boll ALC seems to have a pretty hard feel these days, I'd still go for a harder sponged H3-50 on there. I'd probably be using H3-50 now, but I've fallen for Big Dipper in a big way. |
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The good thing with Skyline 3-60 is that the Skyline 3 topsheet is thinner and more dynamic than the H3 topsheet. On a more lively, modern sponge this could be a good rubber indeed.
It probably won't be a speed demon though, so blah blah booster blah fast blade blah big swings etc etc. Could be a good control/spin orientated BH rubber, if you don't mind the weight. |
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Thanks Andy!
I might give H3-50 (or soft) a go since Ive tried H3Neo Prov a while back on a YEO and it was just too hard of a feel with not much elastic feeling + it was a bit too fast. I don't boost/tune so a slower/softer Chinese rubber might be decent for me. Plus the cost of H3 Neo prov is not the same as it was 3-4 years ago. Edited by DreiZ - 10/24/2014 at 11:43am |
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Well, H3-50 might be exactly the kind of rubber you would like! It is a bit more elastic, a bit slower, higher arc on heavy loops. It doesn't drive as well as H3N though, so bear that in mind. Using YEO might help with that issue though. YMMV, obviously. |
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Hi, Andy - using Chinese rubbers with the old ball or the plastic ball?
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Plus 1 , I also like the 3-50 |
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I am trying H3-50 for RW5 backhand. I suppose it requires active RPB, like Xu Xin to maximize the rubber on the backhand. Quick relay on the backhand is not as effortless as T05 fx I am accustomed to.
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IIRC, I only used H3-50 with the old ball. The lack of speed (and bounce) would worry me with the poly ball. I have had a quick blast with Big Dipper and Moon Speed with the DHS 40+, and they work really well. I find these both to be a bit of a handful (for different reasons) with celluloid, but they are far easier to use with the 40+, which just takes the edge off the catapult and speed.
Excellent! That's two of us. We should start a H3-50 clan thread!
Oh yes, totally different to T05-FX. Passive play gets you nowhere fast with H3-50 (unboosted, obviously). |
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After my disappointment with H8, I actually tried H3-50 again but with the plastic ball and found it was actually pretty decent. Not as powerful or fast as NEO, but very easy to use.
I hope DHS didn't neglect Skyline 2 with these new sponges
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Me too, six months later. 
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This rubber is in stock now at tt11
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I think its the same development like H3.50, chinese tacky rubber with softer and bouncier sponge for everybody who doesnt like to boost rubbers. Probably good match with faster 7ply blades...
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Mine has arrived. Red, 2.0mm, Soft.
A quick bounce test feels very slow, as expected. If you didn't like H3-50, I'm not sure this will change your mind. Won't be able to test for a while, unfortunately. Well, unless I give it a try in next week's league match, which would be high-level silliness. |
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Had a very short knock with the S3-60 last night before a match. It was on my backup Pure Wood. This is a terrible combination - the blade is too slow and too soft. With the rubber being fresh and tacky, the low gear was incredibly slow. And harder shots were really high arc and much faster. The ultimate two-gear setup.
It needs to be on a harder/faster blade, so I'll shift it over to something else before Monday's training session. I might go with H3-50 on the other side for comparison's sake. Blade could be one of Hypertouch, Calix 2, OSP Ultimate or JRE. I will think on. S3-60 does seem livelier and more elastic than H3-50 on active shots. That's all I can say at this very early stage. |
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I allready tested it, the medium hard version: I can give you a comparison between H3NP tuned and this one untuned:
Skyline 3.60 is imo the BEST china hybrid rubber on the market. It is maybe medium to medium+ hard which is great, speed is almost like a Tenergy and the spin is way over average. Great control and short game on the table, awesome while attacking close to it, a little bit lacking of power from half distance. But my ttr in America would way over 2000 and I am playing a 5ply blade so this means lacking of power in half distance, for somebody whos maybe not that good and allready plays a 7ply blade this rubber is fast especially for a unboosted china hybrid rubber! Of course compared to a boosted H3NP or a T05 its worse because these 2 rubbers are end of the line in tabe tennis, but its pretty close to good rubbers like Vega Pro, T64 and MX-P. Furthermore the rubber is getting attractive because it works without boosting and its sticky. Compared to H3.50 its simply faster and spinnier, H3.50 looses agianst it in every way.
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Given the choice between H3NP and S3.60, which one would you pick? :D |
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I didn't like it in flat hitting. H3-50 was easier. Maybe I've glued it bad. Lots of spin but felt dead when hitting (the blade was a Butterfly LSW)
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obiviuosly H3NP boosted! 100%. But the point is that a lot of players do not want to boost and do not practice enough to completely play with a fully boosted H3NP and for them the Skyline 3.60 is the way to go. An other point maybe its not clear when ppl read my post: Yes the Skyline 3.60 is definitely slower than any Tenergy or ESN, definitely. But the topsheet is sticky and for a sticky rubber its pretty fast, if you play just a little bit active close to the table its pretty close to Tenergys imo, spin as good as a T64.
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I boosted it with 2 thin layers of Falco Long Tempo, but it seems slower but spinnier than H3-50
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