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    Posted: 11/17/2014 at 4:57am
Hi all,

I'm watching Swedish Open 2014 and see this video about EXPEDITE SYSTEM where players rally for more than 10min and got stop by the Refs/Umpires. Any body knows about this rule? Who will win that point? is this rule just like NFL sudden death rule? Ouch








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Firstly, expedite don't come in when rally last for 10 min.. It is really impossible for any rally to last for 10 minute.. unless the players purposely play softly.. 

Expedite comes into play when a game reaches 10 min and the total score for that game is under 18 point.
If a rally is in play when 10 min is up, asst. umpire calls 'time' and that rally is a let (replay that point). The next server will be the one serving for the previous rally (the rally when 'time' is called). If 10 min is up when no rally is in play (players towelling or picking up ball), asst umpire will still call time. The next server is the receiver of the preceding rally.

When expedite is in play, if the receiver can make 13 good returns, the rally will be stopped by the umpire and the receiver shall get the point. If the rally ends before the receiver can make 13 good return, whoever wins the rally will get the point (as per normal).

when expedite is in play, each player serve one point instead of 2 to be fair (server is usually at disadvantage as he/she need to win before 13 rallies or else he/she will lose the point). 


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wow, what a point! 
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Expedite system  China Open 2014 :
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thanks guys !

i didn't know there's such thing ! i thought, usually it will ends really fast (kill or be killed). but if you could hang on for 10mins ...man i will give them extra points ! hahaha lol (just a thought) Thumbs Up
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Here is the full history of Expedite systemSmile

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If you're fairly new to the game it is not surprising you haven't seen it because it is really rare in the modern game, and when it does happen it is almost always in matches between two defenders.  This case was especially unusual because Ai Fukuhara is not a defender, but her short game is stead as a rock.
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I watched this (incorrectly titled) video at Swedish Open 2014. I have heard of the umpire interrupting matches during great points to introduce the expedite system.

Hey I have seen 2 defensive players just push & push for the first 10 minutes with no attempt to win a point . That is a different story & it is OK to introduce the expedite system as soon as 10 minutes or whatever is up.

The crowd erupted in appreciation for both players after this point and even more at the end of the match. The consistency, endurance, determination and athleticism of both players is mind-blowing.

Reminded me of many titanic battles between a young Waldner & Li Gun Sang and many matches of Joo Sehyuk against Kong Ling Hui & Ma Long.

But is disgusting for the umpire to stop the point when both players are genuinely trying to win the point (even the defender in this case was attacking again and again suddenly) .

In my opinion some sort of rule change is needed. How long can they last ? May be 10 , 15 minutes ? May be the umpire should give at least 10 or 15 minutes for that specific point to continue and then be allowed to interrupt.

As part of being a total athlete is also endurance, this must be also tested .

Of course on the contrary majority of the table-tennis players (themselves) would want a rule change to end the point within 5 balls . And that is why most rule changes favor attackers (& eliminate spectators). Do I need to get into this and banned from the forum again & again LOL ?

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Agree, it was really annoying that the umpire interrupted a great point but he was just following the rules, which probably should be changed.  I don't think an expedite rule of any kind is still needed in TT, evidenced by how rarely it is ever seen in effect anymore.
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The rule is definitely needed. People who think otherwise just don't watch enough women's TT.

TT is not a rich sport with dedicated facilities. Things will not run on schedule with crazy long matches.

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

If you're fairly new to the game it is not surprising you haven't seen it because it is really rare in the modern game, and when it does happen it is almost always in matches between two defenders.  This case was especially unusual because Ai Fukuhara is not a defender, but her short game is stead as a rock.

I know about a match between 2 non defensive players going expedite system
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Expedite has been around in some form or another for over 80 years
 I would prefer the expedite to be called after the point ends 

but then again Ive been a umpire when my former team-mate and opposition were just pushing for such a long time 3 games took 40 mins (best of 7 and still at 2-1), I went and grabed my phone and timed the next match and when the 10 mins come up I made then play the sxpedite system even though I said two serves each lol, 
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ohh yer I hate how it says the longest rally of all time, when they know its not true and not even close to being true 
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

The rule is definitely needed..


Huh ? Did someone in this thread say the rule is not needed ? If they did I did not see it.

As far me, I only commented on the umpire interrupting and ending a specific point. To be clear I see no problem with the rule being enforced and even explained the need for it in my first post. As far not watching enough women's matches, again , I did say I have no problem with the umpire interrupting play when two defenders are involved. In fact if I am mistaken, there is even a provision in the expedite rule that allows the expedite to start right away if both players agree

And IMO letting them play another 10 minutes (that specific point) would effect the whole tournament is ridiculous. Tournaments should feel lucky they got such a great point.

I guess that is why the crowd broke into applause when the umpire stopped it. And the crowd ovation was even bigger at the end of the match.

If you do not want your tournament be a venue to such great play and 10 more minutes are much more important to you , then I guess you should let the umpires interrupt such great points.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Agree, it was really annoying that the umpire interrupted a great point but he was just following the rules, which probably should be changed.  I don't think an expedite rule of any kind is still needed in TT, evidenced by how rarely it is ever seen in effect anymore.


The existence of the rule may very well be part of the reason we don't see situations where it is needed.  People avoid having it invoked.

I agree that the rule should be amended not to interrupt a point that is being seriously contested.  I'm just not sure how to do it.  Also, the need for the amendment wouldn't come up very frequently.
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Originally posted by unkn0wn0ne unkn0wn0ne wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

The rule is definitely needed..


Huh ? Did someone in this thread say the rule is not needed ? If they did I did not see it.

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Agree, it was really annoying that the umpire interrupted a great point but he was just following the rules, which probably should be changed.  I don't think an expedite rule of any kind is still needed in TT, evidenced by how rarely it is ever seen in effect anymore.


This was just above what I wrote so hopefully, you'll look more closely next time.

Originally posted by unkn0wn0ne unkn0wn0ne wrote:


As far me, I only commented on the umpire interrupting and ending a specific point. To be clear I see no problem with the rule being enforced and even explained the need for it in my first post. As far not watching enough women's matches, again , I did say I have no problem with the umpire interrupting play when two defenders are involved. In fact if I am mistaken, there is even a provision in the expedite rule that allows the expedite to start right away if both players agree

And IMO letting them play another 10 minutes (that specific point) would effect the whole tournament is ridiculous. Tournaments should feel lucky they got such a great point.

I guess that is why the crowd broke into applause when the umpire stopped it. And the crowd ovation was even bigger at the end of the match.

If you do not want your tournament be a venue to such great play and 10 more minutes are much more important to you , then I guess you should let the umpires interrupt such great points.

I watched the point live and it was fun to watch.  But there are many equally great points that get interrupted by lets etc.    There are 100+ shot rallies out there.  There are rallies that go from offense to pushing contests.  Where to draw the line? 

Fan Zhendong vs. Steffen Mengel got moved to another table to accommodate the delays to the schedule caused by this match and possibly one other that followed.  This match was interesting if I remember rightly in that a couple of sets went over 10 mins, but it was already 9-9.

I have never been a fan of tennis where instead of using a tiebreaker, they allow people to continue endlessly in grand slam events.  This exhausts the winner and makes him tired for the next match.  I prefer this attempt to limit the match, even if it has the unfortunate consequence of taking away desired drama in a few cases.
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Quote Fan Zhendong vs. Steffen Mengel got moved to another table to accommodate the delays to the schedule caused by this match and possibly one other that followed.  This match was interesting if I remember rightly in that a couple of sets went over 10 mins, but it was already 9-9.
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Sure I understand. The crowd would be cheering louder than they did for this match, for the usual third & fifth ball attack comedy of errors routine of two attackers   

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Originally posted by unkn0wn0ne unkn0wn0ne wrote:

Quote Fan Zhendong vs. Steffen Mengel got moved to another table to accommodate the delays to the schedule caused by this match and possibly one other that followed.  This match was interesting if I remember rightly in that a couple of sets went over 10 mins, but it was already 9-9.
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Sure I understand. The crowd would be cheering louder than they did for this match, for the usual third & fifth ball attack comedy of errors routine of two attackers   


Sorry for the confusion but by "this match", I meant Fukuhara and Hu.
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