Violence in Table Tennis

I think Alex Lomaev is working on getting a full video of the match uploaded.

DreiZ wrote: I think Alex Lomaev is working on getting a full video of the match uploaded.

Ringer84 wrote: skip3119 wrote: This is his full post in the comment section of the said video. (Just below Ashton Roberts' post.) (The underlined, boldfaced, is where I got lost - and don't understand it.) Alex Lomaev 1 day ago   This umpire judged very strictly and in accordance with the rules. He gave the yellow card for a throw the bat on the floor, and the red one for the delay in the release of the table after the break. I think for this and suffered.  It's hard to say for sure with the language barrier and all, but I took it to mean that he was issued a red card  for being too slow to get back to the table after a timeout or in between games.

connor wrote: Violence in Table Tennis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns5_qNBxXTA

Edited by skip3119 - 11/22/2014 at 8:28pm

skip3119 wrote: connor wrote: Violence in Table Tennis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns5_qNBxXTA ========================================= This video, the very first post of this thread, has 1,004, 810 views do far. How many views of 2014 ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup put together? There is no comparison. ================ The match was 3-0.  The 3rd game was 11-6. What were the scores of the first 2 games?  Interesting to know if they were close.

Unfortunately, the software that was used for the tournament skips the points for the SE stage matches, only shows score by sets (3-0 or 3-1 etc). For RR group stage matches the points are shown, but this was a final.

Here is the link to the results:

http://ttfr.ru/tmp/2014/2014_11_13_kalashnikov_results.pdf

Fehrplay wrote: naijachief wrote: Russia is a very interesting country. haha yeah, this can only happen in Russia!

I find this just a tad offensive. Every country has its share of crazies:

Edited by Tassie52 - 11/22/2014 at 8:24pm

Talking about "Hot", about 5 hours and 7 minutes ago, it had 1,004,810 views.

Edited by skip3119 - 11/22/2014 at 8:48pm

Crowsfeather wrote: That was rude, anyway the judge was able to keep his temper intact.  That's a good new for that blue shirt kid, he might get his ass kicked !!

Edited by JacekGM - 11/23/2014 at 11:49am

JacekGM wrote: One might think it should be about honesty, about fitness, about character, about youth development, etc, but the way things are nowadays, it isn't. Not much sense...

Well the world is large and has lots of people and sure you can find strange stuff happening here and there but for the most part table tennis and other sports are about honesty, fitness, fun, all that good stuff.  One thing like this happens and people start clutching their pearls.

wturber wrote: JacekGM wrote: Why would sports be any different than the rest of it all? One might think it should be about honesty, about fitness, about character, about youth development, etc, but the way things are nowadays, it isn't. Not much sense... But the reality is that it usually is about those things.  This video is showing the exception, the anomaly.  It isn't showing the norm. The norm is relatively boring and would receive a few hundred views typically.  It is common. It is because this video is not the norm (and because it is a bit violent) that it is attracting so much attention.  It now has over a million views.  The recent Zhang Jike video of barrier destruction was similarly popular.  Both videos distort reality in the same way the evening news does.  This tends to leave the public with a distorted view of the world.  This is one reason I only rarely watch televised news. I'm sure that around the world most youth table tennis is about fitness, character and youth development.

Jumping over the net might increase our sport's popularity!

Baal wrote: JacekGM wrote: Baal wrote: JacekGM wrote: One might think it should be about honesty, about fitness, about character, about youth development, etc, but the way things are nowadays, it isn't. Not much sense... Well the world is large and has lots of people and sure you can find strange stuff happening here and there but for the most part table tennis and other sports are about honesty, fitness, fun, all that good stuff.  One thing like this happens and people start clutching their pearls. Thanks for your information, I will take it... but there is a "yes" and a "no"... for one, I would like to be making 10% of what NBA guys, on average, are making. Some say I am better than average in my profession, yet I will never approach anything close to that income level... and this is not good stuff. Okay, agreed, I will never be violent enough to garner this kind of popularity. Never. Not sure what you are saying, but in any case, the Russian kid has anger issues of some sort that his coaches and family should help him with, if possible, assuming that they recognize them as problematic.  He should seriously consider switching to hockey because he probably has no future in TT.  Probably the other kids in the tournament had fun, exercised, showed their skill, etc.  Watch videos from our Siberian forum member and you see lots of the positive.  One other thing, count the number of generations between now and the neolithic era and ask why we should be expected to be very different?  Every adaptation that helped our species survive that environment is still at work.  That's just how it is.  One last thing.  Nobody pays to watch x-ray crystallographers or physiologists work.

Edited by JacekGM - 11/23/2014 at 12:15pm

frogger wrote: He should have been disqualified then escorted out of the building. Yes that is a form of assault and he could be taken to court. There is zero tolerance for this kind of behavior.

Disqualified?  Sure.  Escorted from the building?  Maybe.  Taken to court?  That's ridiculous.

frogger wrote: Of course he could. If the score keeper wanted to he absolutely could, especially since there were witnesses or if the match was recorded. I agree that would be a bit extreme but under the law he could pursuit legal action.

I don't know the laws in Russia.  But whether possible or not, I still maintain that it would be ridiculous.

roundrobin wrote: Jay, I thought the kid could be arrested and charged for assault and battery in the U.S. for sure...

It goes state by state in the U.S., but yes, in most states that technically would be assault at least with adults.  It would be a class 3 misdemeanor Simple Assault in Arizona.  I'm not sure if they actually arrest people for such misdemeanors. 

In Arizona I'm not sure what the legal standards are for trivial minor on minor "violence." But if such actions were charged routinely, that would mean that there could be an arrest in just about every schoolyard in the country on most days. In most states, simply threatening to "kick your @ass" is assault with adults.  Poking someone in the chest can be assault. Spitting on someone is assault, and, of course, pushing someone is assault if the intent is to harm, provoke or insult. We could also find many instance of theft and robbery in our schools and with our children if we applied the strict letter of the law.  But with minors, we generally try to deal with these kinds of things outside the courts unless there is something particularly extreme in the circumstances. 

Given what is shown on the video, I strongly believe that involving the police and courts in such a situation would be ridiculous. Correcting that kind of behavior is what parents, coaches and other adults are supposed to be doing.