tips for BH topspin

no coaching; a mix of timo boll and oh sang eun back in the days I liked them very much. in the butterfly video timo has so great a stance i wanted the same for myself he was my inspiration; 

oh's effortless bh is partially due to a perfect timing of the wrist snap; it is so natural to him he was a role model for my bh. I think he was the most talented player of his generation and I have a hard time understanding why he did not achieve more; maybe he was lazy and happy not to work as hard as the competition.

From Timo I especially liked to think that after bending over and crouching, coming back to vertical position rotates the upper body backwards (axis of rotation going through the hips), advancing forward the elbow by a foot for the base of bh power (my apologies if I mention that one too many times...again......). I feel like the back swing to the left hip is another technique requiring rotation of the hips clockwise but thinking more it can be added while keeping the same bending over/crouching idea; I'll make another movie doing the same with a back swing to the left hip for a flatter elliptical recovery instead of a more circled one like I do (that's what is wrong in my bh I think).

I remember when I figured out that the wrist snap was controllable; it was early on; I was 1100 or so and one day I unloaded an unreal bh along the line; all was timed perfectly by chance; my opponent just saw the ball passing by; he was like 1900 and let me play him a match; he said laughing "WOW...3000!!!"; later I wanted to do it again and again and it worked.

Thank you for your remarks; I got some homework now.

That is exactly what I am suggesting. And you can't mention that enough.

Here is what I thought of when I saw your shot. Very similar imo. You may have been thinking about TB OSE but it came out more like ZJK and ML imo.

combo of this

and this

I want to understand what you are seeing in the hips with ZJK and ML. Just want understand your terminology. I have my own but I want to try to sync it up with yours.

Agree ML likes to drive his BH vs underspin more, whereas ZJK has more emphasis on spin. It's even more clear in the butterfly article on his stroke mechanics.

http://en.butterflymag.com/2014/03/special-zhang-jike-the-key-to-his-success/ 

 

Ringer, youu would be suprised to hear the Kim Jeung Hoon says to stay at the table and imagine your shot is a rythm like a rotating drum a little in front of you and to keep rolling around the drum and hitting BH shots.

 

Watch what he does from 5:45 to 6:15

 

Because his shot is like Timo Boll, and you keep on saying it is more like ZJK/ML.

So your claiming/asserting that I can't perceive or understand the technical similarities between TB, ZJK, and WH because you think that fatt's stroke mechanic has more in common with TB than ZJK?

So what is then preventing me from reflecting your argument back at you? You are just making the same assertion that I did. 

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