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Due to my chronic elbow pain, I would give up my current good combo again to lighter blade. Last tournament the pain was so bad, I could not do any BH loops. Only blocks and semi-brush the balls. Luckily, my opponents did not realize it.

My current combo is T05-FX, H3N with ML-5. (I was playing around with ZXI,DHS W997, DHS TG-825, H King, Barwell Fleet, ZJ ZLC&ALC, Vis.) Most of them are around 91-94g(DHS) and 85-88g(BTY/NIT/Xiom). My rating would not change much with these. Some faster and some spinnier with different feeling.

Any good candidate that would work well with H3, but lighter?
Is TB ALC which has lighter head feel lighter when we do BH in table loop or full swing BH?

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Dhs pg7, adidas avenger 5, tibhar rapid carbon light, stiga intensity nct
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Perhaps the Viscaria light?
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Stiga Offensive CR. 81gr. for more spin, a bit less speed. More speed then Tibhar Rapid Carbon Lite, Donic Epox Power Carbon (light).
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I haven't tried it with H3 but Stiga Infinity vps is a really good light blade. 
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Dhs pg7, adidas avenger 5, tibhar rapid carbon light, stiga intensity nct
Are PG7 and Intensity NCT light? I always think PG7 is around 88g+

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Originally posted by HappyHarry HappyHarry wrote:

I haven't tried it with H3 but Stiga Infinity vps is a really good light blade. 

I still have a VPS. It is 89 g. Play ok. I am not sure how it consider a light blade. Is your less than 82g?

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You probably need a light zylon carbon blade with small head but the problem is the small head - maybe Timo Boll ZLC.  If you keep H3 on forehand, you may need a lighter BH rubber and some grip tape to put more weight towards the handle.  That should solve most of your problem.  Then spend some time not playing full matches to adjust your muscles to the change in weight or you will have pain (I find I get pain when I go from heavier to lighter or lighter to heavier because I don't adjust my swing to the new weight).
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Is TB ZLC head smaller than ZJ ZLC?
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Not sure - should be about the same.

Edited by NextLevel - 01/26/2015 at 11:09pm
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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Dhs pg7, adidas avenger 5, tibhar rapid carbon light, stiga intensity nct
Are PG7 and Intensity NCT light? I always think PG7 is around 88g+

ive had pg7 that is about 83 grams and intensity nct at 80 grams on a legend flared handle
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I would recommend BALSA or BALSA-CARBON Blade if you don't have concern on blade thickness. I think is going well with Chinese style rubber and light.


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Originally posted by achoomai achoomai wrote:

I would recommend BALSA or BALSA-CARBON Blade if you don't have concern on blade thickness. I think is going well with Chinese style rubber and light.



Was going to say the same thing, but the thickness might bother a looper and the blade will still be head heavy in most cases.
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For combo Balsa/H3, I could give some comment cause I tried them before.
Firewall+/Barricade/TSP Balsa. They don't do well with H3. It is also slow. It seems like kick from Balsa could not shine though hard Chinese rubber. It has some spin but not close to Koto family pair with H3 either. But when I put Donic Baracuda on Balsa, they rocked.
Originally posted by achoomai achoomai wrote:

I would recommend BALSA or BALSA-CARBON Blade if you don't have concern on blade thickness. I think is going well with Chinese style rubber and light.

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Try out Galaxy T2. You might be able to get your hands onto a Sub 80 gram T2 if you check with TTNPP.
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Hi,
was also looking for a 'lighter' combo paired with a H3.

I tried balsa blades with or without carbon. It was a disaster for me. Too bouncy in the short game and too slow mid distance...

I agree with Viscaria Light. It performed very well with H3!
The total weight will be light but a little head heavy. Just add a grip tape and it will be perfectly balanced.

Personnaly I aslo slightly adjuted the shape of the head of the blade in order to match the Waldner Egg shape.
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If I got your description right, I'd suggest two things:
- one part of the problem might be related to the size/shape of the blade
- the other part could be more weight/speed related

As bh tends to be more wrist active stroke, usually larger(longer) head shape could result in more stress, what you should avoid. Also handle/neck  shape is importantas some handle shaes tend to result in a lower or higher grip.
My own experience with ML-5 was exactly this, it felt quite "long", resulting in very good acceleration, but also demanding/stressfull  for wrist action.

Among other good suggestions, I'd throw in Reygundo, small head and narrow neck part - usually very light but still enough speed. Hinoki top ply isn't everybody's taste, but I like it a lot in combination with H3. Reygundo is similar to Kong Linghui Special - just a smaller head, lighter overall (usually below 80gr.) a bit harder feeling and good speed.

I'd generally go for not too slow combo, as I'd expect this to be less stress for your ellbow...

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I think you might like the Donic World Champion 89 Appelgren all+.  Don't let the speed rating put you off, you can dial up the speed when you want it. Mine is 77g. 

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find the faster Waldner version in the low eighties if you want the extra horsepower.  I asked for a heavy one and got it around 88g.

If you like the koto outer feel then the Xiom Vega Euro can be found in the low eighties (mine is 82).
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The Vega Euro has a slightly larger head that is why I would not encourage it purely based on weight. I considered the Rossi Emotion as well, but height mot find it powerful enough.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

The Vega Euro has a slightly larger head that is why I would not encourage it purely based on weight. I considered the Rossi Emotion as well, but height mot find it powerful enough.
Compared to the ML5 which runs ~100g, a savings of close to 20g is pretty significant.  

If the real issue is size, well that's easy to change if he otherwise likes the blade.  Sanding is easy enough.  I wouldn't get hung up over a mm or 2 if 30 minutes of sanding could fix the issue.

Yo, OP, since you have the ZXI, you could trim it a couple of mm in length and see if that helps your elbow.  If that feels better you could get the VE, repeat the sanding, and gain some control and spin vs. the ZXI.
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go with stiga, blade size smaller than others. i'm using intensity nct now, is a good one. Light and powerful.
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Originally posted by bayttplayer bayttplayer wrote:


go with stiga, blade size smaller than others. i'm using intensity nct now, is a good one. Light and powerful.

I have Rosewood V 84g and VPS around 86 g. I don't think head is small.
They are also not that light.
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Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

I think you might like the Donic World Champion 89 Appelgren all+.  Don't let the speed rating put you off, you can dial up the speed when you want it. Mine is 77g. 

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find the faster Waldner version in the low eighties if you want the extra horsepower.  I asked for a heavy one and got it around 88g.

If you like the koto outer feel then the Xiom Vega Euro can be found in the low eighties (mine is 82).

I have Xiom Vega Euro 84g. It plays well but with H3, it is nowhere near light weight. I actually feel combo heavier than ML-5 or ZXIs. I should be as NextLevel said.
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Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

Yo, OP, since you have the ZXI, you could trim it a couple of mm in length and see if that helps your elbow.  If that feels better you could get the VE, repeat the sanding, and gain some control and spin vs. the ZXI.

I trimmed 4-5 blades included my favorite blade I played 15 years ago. I did sand little by little but still overdid it. I never achieve ideal result. They usually feel unbalance not solid.
I'm still mad at myself every time I hold my old main blade.

I have 2 Tibhar blades, Head are smaller than the others brand but not good feeling with H3. The balance is good though.    

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Originally posted by tt-panopticum tt-panopticum wrote:

If I got your description right, I'd suggest two things:
- one part of the problem might be related to the size/shape of the blade
- the other part could be more weight/speed related

As bh tends to be more wrist active stroke, usually larger(longer) head shape could result in more stress, what you should avoid. Also handle/neck  shape is importantas some handle shaes tend to result in a lower or higher grip.
My own experience with ML-5 was exactly this, it felt quite "long", resulting in very good acceleration, but also demanding/stressfull  for wrist action.

Among other good suggestions, I'd throw in Reygundo, small head and narrow neck part - usually very light but still enough speed. Hinoki top ply isn't everybody's taste, but I like it a lot in combination with H3. Reygundo is similar to Kong Linghui Special - just a smaller head, lighter overall (usually below 80gr.) a bit harder feeling and good speed.

I'd generally go for not too slow combo, as I'd expect this to be less stress for your ellbow...

Best regards

I think you nailed it. My main blade is DHS TG-825 95g. I also have Barewell Fleet at 85g. I was comparing them side by side. With same rubbers, same cut sizes, I would say that I feel BF even at lighter weight loaded more on my elbow.

Next question, what blades has little bit small head and/may be high grip also play well with H3.

Hinoki would not do it with H3. I tried many. It was the dream combo with Sriver when I was a kid.

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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Originally posted by bayttplayer bayttplayer wrote:


go with stiga, blade size smaller than others. i'm using intensity nct now, is a good one. Light and powerful.

I have Rosewood V 84g and VPS around 86 g. I don't think head is small.
They are also not that light.


try put your butterfly or DHS blade old rubber to stiga blade, you will see the difference. Rosewood V 84g and VPS around 86 g. very light already, any 5 ply blade less than 85g I try so far has no power.

I have intensity + H3 + T80 total 177 g.
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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

For combo Balsa/H3, I could give some comment cause I tried them before.
Firewall+/Barricade/TSP Balsa. They don't do well with H3. It is also slow. It seems like kick from Balsa could not shine though hard Chinese rubber. It has some spin but not close to Koto family pair with H3 either. But when I put Donic Baracuda on Balsa, they rocked.

Aren't the first two considered ALL/ALL+?  Don't know about the TSP.  I would not consider anything less than OFF- for H3.

Currently using a Yinhe T-7 with H3, probably too heavy for you @ 89 gr, looking to try something with a little more speed and a little bit lighter so I ordered a Yinhe T-11+, a balsa carbon blade.  It was on sale at aliexpress for $18.  Should be here in a couple weeks.

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