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Harimoto is 13 in ITTF ranking. incredible. will he get in TOP 10 in next few month? Can he beat top CNT players?
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Harimoto is 13 in ITTF ranking. incredible. will he get in TOP 10 in next few month? Can he beat top CNT players?


I like him. I'm very interested to see him playing against ML, FZD, XX, or anyone else from that level.
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I think it will be very interesting to see if he can maintain the same level once he grows taller, a lot of juniors struggle after they get taller.
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Harimoto in Table tennis could be like Tiger Woods was in golf. A level or two above the field someday.

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The real open question is whether the Japanese table tennis establishment is able and will create an environment that will allow Harimoto to continue his development to the highest level in the world.  To date, they have not done so historically.  Again and again you observe Japanese development to some, very impressive, high level, yet inferior to the Chinese.  Can this be transcended now?

I have enormous faith in Harimoto's parents, their effectiveness here, to this point in development, is striking.  This type of parental intervention and guidance can thrive up to and through the adolescent stages.  Post these periods, a new environment is needed, one that fosters the highest standards.

When I was on the coaching staff at the Werner Schlager Academy, I watched Fan and Lin and others, in closed door sessions, in their first year with the National team.  They have improved very significantly since that time, due to the environment the Chinese know how to create.  To repeat: Can the Japanese do the same for Harimoto?
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It's gonna be hard, if possible at all. To be like Ma Long and FZD, you need to practice with players at the level of Xu Xin and Fang Bo all the time. And China has lots of Xu Xin's and Fang Bo's. On the other hand, what does Japan have, other than Mitsutani and Niwa? And I'm pretty sure Japan's system doesn't, and can't force those two into sparring partners in the first place!

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

The real open question is whether the Japanese table tennis establishment is able and will create an environment that will allow Harimoto to continue his development to the highest level in the world.  To date, they have not done so historically.  Again and again you observe Japanese development to some, very impressive, high level, yet inferior to the Chinese.  Can this be transcended now?

I have enormous faith in Harimoto's parents, their effectiveness here, to this point in development, is striking.  This type of parental intervention and guidance can thrive up to and through the adolescent stages.  Post these periods, a new environment is needed, one that fosters the highest standards.

When I was on the coaching staff at the Werner Schlager Academy, I watched Fan and Lin and others, in closed door sessions, in their first year with the National team.  They have improved very significantly since that time, due to the environment the Chinese know how to create.  To repeat: Can the Japanese do the same for Harimoto?
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Check out what Japan has achieved with badminton, after hiring former Olympic Doubles gold medalist, Park Joo-bong of South Korea, as the head coach.

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Check out what Japan has achieved with badminton, after hiring former Olympic Doubles gold medalist, Park Joo-bong of South Korea, as the head coach.


That or China has declined in badminton. The fact Lin Dan is still a top player tells you a lot. If Ma Long still dominates FZD and all the other Chinese players in 5 years, then Harimoto might have a chance   
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Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

It's gonna be hard, if possible at all. To be like Ma Long and FZD, you need to practice with players at the level of Xu Xin and Fang Bo all the time. And China has lots of Xu Xin's and Fang Bo's. On the other hand, what does Japan have, other than Mitsutani and Niwa? And I'm pretty sure Japan's system doesn't, and can't force those two into sparring partners in the first place!


how Mizutani become Mizutani? he had practice partners at level of Xu Xin and Fang Bo?
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Even back then China was never as dominant in badminton as in table tennis.

Japan has been on the rise since before the London Olypmics, when China was at an all-time high. Park has brought about a slew of changes to the JNT, the most significant being training camp at the national training center. Their players never trained together as a team. Japan table tennis is doing the same thing now.

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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

It's gonna be hard, if possible at all. To be like Ma Long and FZD, you need to practice with players at the level of Xu Xin and Fang Bo all the time. And China has lots of Xu Xin's and Fang Bo's. On the other hand, what does Japan have, other than Mitsutani and Niwa? And I'm pretty sure Japan's system doesn't, and can't force those two into sparring partners in the first place!


how Mizutani become Mizutani? he had practice partners at level of Xu Xin and Fang Bo?


No, of course he didn't have XX's and FB's to practice with. That's why he's a level below ML and FZD. In fact, he's like half a level below XX. What happened in Rio was an upset
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So they're forcing players into concentrated labor, I mean training camps. That's good. That's how you get good in TT or badminton.

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Even back then China was never as dominant in badminton as in table tennis.

Japan has been on the rise since before the London Olypmics, when China was at an all-time high. Park has brought about a slew of changes to the JNT, the most significant being training camp at the national training center. Their players never trained together as a team. Japan table tennis is doing the same thing now.
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I paid attention he is blinking all the time. maybe he has eyes problem or using contact lenses ...
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Harimoto seems to be losing almost every match in the latest round of T2APAC. What's going on? Other players adapting maybe?
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

Harimoto seems to be losing almost every match in the latest round of T2APAC. What's going on? Other players adapting maybe?


he beat Mizutani just right now
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There are plenty of disadvantages of being 14 compared to a man. Other players are likelier to be smarter players and adjust faster etc. as well as be more developed in so many ways, that's why his results are so scary good.

MJ etc. have probably played with him a lot, both being Japanese NT members. Harimoto has had plenty of time to adjust and become very familiar with him, and what works. Its a long struggle to the top, slight dips in form here and there, adjusting to winning when you aren't playing well, becomes easier with age. We've seen it with Hirano and her alleged mental struggles.



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I worry about his development now. If he was playing juniors he would be playing a very offensive game and almost always able to get the first offensive shot in. He could work on this aspect of his game. Instead he's up against seasoned pros who often put him under serious pressure. I feel like Harimoto is often just trying to block down these pros. To his credit he can do this and win matches. In a way that's a problem. Having success blocking down Timo Boll (in a final no less) will just encourage him to play passive. He'll never beat the Chinese with that mind set.

I hope his team starts becoming critical on how he wins matches against players outside of the top 100.
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I wouldn’t worry about his development.
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i geuss you never watch zhang jike playing the other chinese players when he was winning.he is a very good blocker


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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

I paid attention he is blinking all the time. maybe he has eyes problem or using contact lenses ...

His father blinks the same way. It is in his genes

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Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

I worry about his development now. If he was playing juniors he would be playing a very offensive game and almost always able to get the first offensive shot in. He could work on this aspect of his game. Instead he's up against seasoned pros who often put him under serious pressure. I feel like Harimoto is often just trying to block down these pros. To his credit he can do this and win matches. In a way that's a problem. Having success blocking down Timo Boll (in a final no less) will just encourage him to play passive. He'll never beat the Chinese with that mind set.

I hope his team starts becoming critical on how he wins matches against players outside of the top 100.


he needs a personal coach or 2. most japanese top players has personal coaches
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Tomokazu Harimoto and Hirano Miu are announced to participate in the 2018 YOG Continental Qualification - Asia 3-5/11/2017

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It's almost like he read my previous comments about being passive against top players. He was attacking and controlling his serve rather well on the first 2 games. It dropped a little after that and he will be able to review that and come back stronger. I'm pretty sure his coaching staff knows all of this and is making sure he comes out with offense first.

He had some nerves in there too but only because the match was so close.  He's improving a lot.
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Harimoto played really great against Xu Xin. Exposed Xu Xin's backhand as weak time and time again. Xu Xin's forehand flip is also more often hesitant and tentative than not - and Xu Xin needs it to work, as the kid has excellent short game touch. And in longer rallies Harimoto was even blocking him down. Any next time they meet, it would not surprise me if Harimoto won decisively.
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I also noticed that Harimoto won some of the forehand to forehand loop exchanges. If and when they meet again, I favor Harimoto. XX does fine against Chinese players, but comparatively weak against non Chinese. LGL was right to be critical of XX.

Harimoto's progression has been nothing short of fantastic. If he continues on this trajectory, gold at the Tokyo Olympics is possible for him.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

LGL was right to be critical of XX.
Xu Xin has suffered with the big plastic ball. His loops are less deadly now. And he has not improved his backhand to the level of Wang Hao (or even Wong Chunting). And he doesn't have the forehand flip skills of Ma Lin. Even with his weaknesses, he's still good enough to beat 90% of the pros.
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Harimoto injured?
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Harimoto injured?


because he was defeated?
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by shinimai shinimai wrote:


Harimoto injured?


because he was defeated?

jackwong23's excuse has caught up with Harimoto. He is injured for real. It's claimed he injured his right shoulder at the Swedish Open.

He will skip over the WJTTC later this month and will use the time to prepare for the Grand Final.

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