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    Posted: 02/25/2015 at 12:00pm
a hypothetical…

Lets say i take a Timo Boll T5000 and take one of the T5000 carbon layer and replace it with an ALC layer and the remainder of the blade stays the same. 
How much would that affect the playing characteristic of the side with T5000 carbon layer? Would it still play like the original blade or would it alter the fell and playing characteristic significantly?

What if we do this to one of the outer or inner layers of wood?
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See if you can figure it out from CCY's recent match videos.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

See if you can figure it out from CCY's recent match videos.

Ya that's where the question comes from... as a sp inverted player I just wonder if I would be better off with a combination blade... because my bh would improve with softer carbon layer


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One thing for certain is that it won't play the same, otherwise why bother?  Will it be as significant as having different rubbers on either side?  Probably yes, otherwise why bother?

The easiest way to tell is buy one and try.
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we got ourselves a mad scientist here.


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My experience is, that the difference will be not as big as you think (or wish).

Two years ago I started a similar project, because I wanted a composite blade with a harder feeling on one side and a softer feeling on the other side. So I contacted one of the german manufacturers (http://www.tischtennis-manufaktur.de) and we talked about my thoughts. In our first conversation he told me, that it is not possible to separate the feeling 100% and that the feeling will not be extremely different. We decided to use aramid (similar to arylate) on one side and aramid-carbon on the other side, but also a different kind of glue(ing) on both sides.

redwood / aramid (soft glued) / limba / ayous / limba / aramid-carbon (hard glued) / redwood

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Although I still like my "Tiger", the feeling is not sooo different between both sides.
I think, it`s easier to get a different feeling, if you use different outer veneers.
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That matches what the physics would suggest.

The blade as a solid object acts more like a cohesive block than the layering scheme many EJs prefer to think of it as. Doing anything that makes the whole thing stiffer, well, makes the whole thing more elastic.
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Originally posted by AgentHEX AgentHEX wrote:

Doing anything that makes the whole thing stiffer, well, makes the whole thing more elastic.
Stiffer = more elastic?
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Yes. That's how 'solids' roll.
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Sieht das super aus !!!
 
Uh, oh yeah, that is one good lookin' blade too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnnyChop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/26/2015 at 8:37am
Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

My experience is, that the difference will be not as big as you think (or wish).

Two years ago I started a similar project, because I wanted a composite blade with a harder feeling on one side and a softer feeling on the other side. So I contacted one of the german manufacturers (http://www.tischtennis-manufaktur.de) and we talked about my thoughts. In our first conversation he told me, that it is not possible to separate the feeling 100% and that the feeling will not be extremely different. We decided to use aramid (similar to arylate) on one side and aramid-carbon on the other side, but also a different kind of glue(ing) on both sides.

redwood / aramid (soft glued) / limba / ayous / limba / aramid-carbon (hard glued) / redwood

Here is the result of our project:





Although I still like my "Tiger", the feeling is not sooo different between both sides.
I think, it`s easier to get a different feeling, if you use different outer veneers.

Ya thanks for the info, i think if i do go down this route ill have to use different wood too…!
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