Tibhar Evolution MX-S

P7 is bouncy - MX-S is not. They aren't substitutes - you use MX-S if you want to play a different way.

I finally stayed in one place long enough to make it out for a practice with a sheet of MX-S on my FH.

JohnnyChop wrote: Anyone can comment on durability?

koshkin wrote: Second practice with MX-S is even more comfortable.  It it loops really well and really excels with those icky half-long balls that have been difficult for me with nearly any rubber I have tried recently.  With MX-S, I can just snap the wrist as the forearm goes forward and the ball clears the net with ease and has a lot of kick. Weirdly enough table game is very good too.  I do not have a powerful FH flick, but I use it for placement a lot and MX-S is very easy to use over the table with great directional control.  Pushing is taking me a little longer to get used to, but it seems to be coming around.  Spin is good, but I am not controlling depth as well as I would like at the moment. Blocking is quite good.  MX-S is not very fast in passive play, so I can take a lot of pace off the ball with a passive block.  If I want to block more aggressively, I have to cover the ball a little, which is a more natural way of doing it for me. Overall, I like it a lot.  The trajectory reminds me of some of the Chinese rubbers I used to lay with.  My favourite for a long time was Hurricane 2 which produced this weird ball trajectory where it would go straight and low over the net, but then would suddenly curve down and land on the table with good safety margin.  However, it would never bounce up too much like it does with most high throw rubbers.  That made it difficult to block or counterloop against: the opponent would always hav eot be play ing up on a ball that is going straight.  Tibhar Rapid X-Press is glue days produced a similar ball as well.  MX-S is not quite as low of a throw, but the ball trajectory is fairly similar. ILya

I have bought a black sheet in 2.1 and it looks like it is going to be my forehand rubber for the season. I have played about six hours with it so far and I like it very much. The information piled up on it is pretty accurate and I would just like to give my opinion on it from my point of view.

First thing first, those looking for a T05 substitute should go for MX-P. MX-S is for those who want to get them a rubber that behaves more like a Chinese. It features a topsheet that does not feel as soft as many of the other rubbers I have encountered, for example XIOM O4 Pro, XIOM OMEGA V Tour and the whole Bluefire M line. From memory, it feels more like a Rasant Grip or Powergrip - I do not remember which I had the opportunity to hit with briefly half a year ago. A lot of people may like it - I personally have been waiting for a long time for such a rubber. And they have covered in important segment of the market in my view.

The main thing that sets it apart from T05 and many other tensors is that you have to work harder to dig the ball in the rubber on loops. The resulting ball will have a flatter but very disturbing trajectory for the opponent. This goes for small loops and bigger loops away from the table. One of my practice partners compared it to Baracuda as far as the unexpected dip goes .

The other beneficial feature of MX-S is that loops are not as easy to block back and any opponent that is used to ESN rubbers or even T05 exclusively will be in for some trouble and generally they have to work harder to tackle MX-S.

You do not need to put this rubber on a fast blade. I am using mine on a Donic Waldner Allplay and I can hit awesomely fast balls with it.

Some negative points: it was more difficult to receive serves with and I fed many easy balls for flipping over the table. Also soft blocks are more difficult to do.

My feeling is that if Tibhar could raise the lowish trajectory issues, they would make a rubber that would be amazing.

DISCLAIMER: If the word 'boosting' gives you bad feelings, please do not read on

As the pics available show, MX-S has a denser sponge and I risk to state that it is more durable than the others in the Evolution line which are like breadcrumbs stuck together.

To eliminate the disturbing minor deficiencies, I am boosting my sheet with two layers of Falco Long. What I hope to get out of it is that it will fix the low trajectory just a bit and hopefully it will be a little easier to dig into the sponge.

I am trying it tonight. I boosted it with Falco Long but it was a mistake. Falco Long is a booster I do not recommend based on my experiences with different boosters as it makes any rubber inaccurate, too hard and insensitive. There are a lot of much better options out there. The thing is that thin boosters yield better results: they make the sponge soft, and what is most important, accurate. So I got such a booster as I had none left.

I have also received my Tibhar Quantum, I am also trying it tonight.

Boosting my MX-S has solved the problem of control. Without boosting it would send many balls into the white of the net or just over the table. All the booster did was make the sponge springier and the topsheet more balanced so the problem went away. The topsheet is still distinctly hard compared to most other rubbers.

Tnx vivan4 ,is this target pro 51 closer to m1turbo and mx-p ???none of them I like....m1turbo is the worse for my play with lowest throw out of 25 rubbers that I tried good for FH hitters or BH punchers only with no lift at all....
TT11 shows the target pro coming soon so I"ll try it if none of these 4 that I should get next mon/tue will work....tnx

Btw I did like the Joola max 500 on FH of the btfy liu shiwen blade....cause somehow I like very grippy top and hard sponge....rhyzm 48 was medium grippy with good sponge....

Edited by Tuly007 - 09/18/2015 at 6:55pm

Hans,

Why not Falco Long?

Hans Regenkurt wrote: Because Falco Long makes the rubber dull and non-springy = slow. No pros that I know of use it. Go for the other TRF products, everybody uses those.

Hmm. Hadn't heard that. I'm planning on experimenting with Falco long on my spare setups.

So does this rubber have ANY catapult in it? Or does it feel dead like say Sriver, but with better spin?

Yes, it has catapult.

No, it is faster than Sriver. It just maxes out quickly. Much kore spin and harder.

It is much harder and different from Rasant Grip, which is more like a low throw T05. Someone (yogi) compared it to spin art.

Try Omega V Asia first if you are coming from Chinese rubbers.  Better than MX-S in quite a few ways, IMO.

Thanks guys :)

Alwin wrote: Thanks guys :) @Nextlevel, why do you say Omega V Asia? I've heard that it's quite bouncy @manraid, Thanks for the comparison! I haven't used H8 before, but I've read that it's similar to H3 Neo which gives me a good idea of your comparisons. Just a couple more qs: - Is loop variation good with MX-S? e.g. with hurricane or skyline you can use just the topsheet or you can dig it into the sponge for different effects - How low is the throw, it is even lower than even? And how is the kick of the ball after it lands on the other side after a low spinny loop? Thanks again!