"All About Tenergy" BTY Science Infomercial

Found this on ButterflyOnline.com, well-made little video on Tenergy's development and background - check it out!

Edited by schen - 04/24/2015 at 5:42pm

João Monteiro using Tenergy 80 hahaha. That will be the day. It's all about Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 64. If they discontinued 80 and 25, nothing of consequence would happen to table tennis.

T25 is a weird rubber - when you use it, you know why no pro player uses it.  IF you want something like T25 but at least reasonable, use T25FX.  T25 would be for someone who hits 95% on the BH and loops 5% on the BH and never uses his backhand more than 1 ft off the table.

NextLevel wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: If they discontinued 80 and 25, nothing of consequence would happen to table tennis. Korbel uses T80 too now.

GeneralSpecific wrote: If they discontinued 80 and 25, nothing of consequence would happen to table tennis.

I liked that bit with Tamasu being such a visionary company, in that they've managed to foresee the end of speed glue years before it happened. I suspect it's nothing to do with vision, and everything to do with greasing the right palms.

rajd1234 wrote: I was really curious about T25. Has anyone tried it? Why no professional player use it?

Koki Niwa used to use T25 (maybe he still does occasionally)...

There's a doubles match from the past where you can see him use it (can remember when)...

He used to be quite effective with it...

I've never used it, but the description of how it suppose to play has always appealed to me...

Edited by CraneStyle - 04/25/2015 at 8:30am

T25 is not that much different from T05.  The pips are bigger so the top sheet has more contact with the sponge.  This has two effects.   Since there is more contact with the sponge T25 feels stiffer or harder.   I think this is the most noticeable difference.  Because the there is more contact with the sponge the top sheet will not stretch as far across the surface as T05.   I think that T05 pips must bend to let the top sheet move more but if that is the case why isn't T64 with its even thinner pips bend more?

Baal wrote: pnachtwey wrote: T25 is not that much different from T05.  I think the effects are quite large when you back away from the table even a little bit.  From distances 2 and 3 T25 is very difficult to use.  I always though it would suit penholders who stay close in.

Very large. I played with T25 briefly because people thought it would suit me perfectly. Maybe when I was 1400. At 1800, immediately I stepped back to take a larger swing on either side, the logic of the rubber completely eluded me. And by stepping back, I mean a foot or so, not a meter or a yard. The control and the ability to contain incoming topspins at the table was magnificent but the ability to attack at the table against backspin was also a significant liability as you had to open the paddle so much and lift so much that it gave the game away.

If you read carefully, I was 1800.  And whether it is a technique issue or not, there is a difference between a vertical stroke and a forward stroke.  You surely do understand that you lose power when you make a stroke in a direction that is normal to the ball, which is what T25 requires you to do more attacking backspin with a topspin stroke.

I am a tenergy user and i have tried t25,t64 and t05.

For spin 05
for speed 64

For service and control 25.

however tenergy rubber produce good spin and speed so with proper technique you can play with any of them.

I have been thinking about the question of who might like T25.  T25 might be well suited for a shakehand player switching to SP on the BH side from inverted.  A lot of the time people making this switch are surprised to learn that they have to make fairly significant changes in their forehand too because on average they are playing closer to the table than before (because of the liabilities and advantages of the SP, which really are most effective from close).  Having T25 on the forehand might help with that change.

Most spin oriented modern offensive players -- attacking inverted on both sides -- are going to be well suited by T05 (on composite blades) and T64 (on wood blades or slow composites).  Assuming they are willing to pay that much money, and not everyone will want to do that.

Baal wrote: I have been thinking about the question of who might like T25.  T25 might be well suited for a shakehand player switching to SP on the BH side from inverted.......

Baal wrote: I have been thinking about the question of who might like T25.  T25 might be well suited for a shakehand player switching to SP on the BH side from inverted.  A lot of the time people making this switch are surprised to learn that they have to make fairly significant changes in their forehand too because on average they are playing closer to the table than before (because of the liabilities and advantages of the SP, which really are most effective from close).  Having T25 on the forehand might help with that change. Most spin oriented modern offensive players -- attacking inverted on both sides -- are going to be well suited by T05 (on composite blades) and T64 (on wood blades or slow composites).  Assuming they are willing to pay that much money, and not everyone will want to do that.

I don't agree. Even a short pips player is going to be pushed back once in a while. The real problem with T25 is that driving forwards on the ball with heavy spin is just hard. If you want to play close at the table all the time, sure, T25 might suit a specialist style. But I really don't know any other rubber like it. That to me is ridiculous.

Yes, I meant tangential.  Hopefully, my point is clear.