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    Posted: 05/05/2015 at 3:22am
For years now I have been lamenting the day I threw out my old Dunlop Barna blade.  It was "too old, too damaged, too gunked up with old glue, no longer needed, never going to be used again."  So into the bin it went!

Or so I thought.

I'm getting ready to move house and came across a box I haven't looked in since the last, pre-starting-to-play-TT-again move.  And there it was!


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Nice, I can think of someone who will approve and would enjoy a game against that...
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Originally posted by ttTurkey ttTurkey wrote:

Nice, I can think of someone who will approve and would enjoy a game against that...
Lol.  I'm waiting for a response.  I suspect he may think this treasure is wasted on me!

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Nice. so how does it play?

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This blade is Dunlop Barna from 60's with logo like a tear-drop.
I have had this model before time, It was heavy around 120 grams with huge head.
It is speedy and has good skills with OX pimples.
But I really prefer the elder model from 50's which is more hard, has a higher touch and spin.
I have one for sale in very good condition, if someone is interested....you have my contacts Smile
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Out of interest I checked the ITTF museum to try to identify the age of the blade.  I'm pretty certain that it's this model, but mine has been "modified".



The shoulders of my blade have been cut away where with this one they taper into the handle.

Blade weight without rubber: 126gm
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After looking a second time at your Dunlop Barna blade, it now does appear to me that the shoulders of this blade may have been cut away, though the shoulders of the Barna blades of the mid-1940s were narrower than the later 1950s and 1960s versions of that bat.  I'm not sure why, possibly to facilitate a higher grip up the handle closer to the head of the blade.  

The blade seems to be in fairly good shape, with no obvious signs of splintering of the outer veneers of the head of the blade or visible signs of warpage that I can detect from your photo. 
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So, what should rubber should I put on it?  If you suggest British Leyland, then I'll ask for details of a supplier.  If not Leyland, then what?

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Just clean the blade's surface with some kind of solvent.
Then you could post some OX pips, but you need to know this blade has a huge head and I don't know which rubber will be enough big for it. I have always had a space between the rubber and handle.
You could ask some hard-bat master for advice, may be Valor Table Tennis...
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Haha looks like it comes from ancient Egypt or something! Lovely find. Is it just me who thinks the handle looks like it would fit really good in the hand? How does it feel holding? 
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Originally posted by Tassie52 Tassie52 wrote:

So, what should rubber should I put on it?  If you suggest British Leyland, then I'll ask for details of a supplier.  If not Leyland, then what?



If you wish, Tassie52, to put British Leyland onto your Barna blade, contact Don Varian of Hock Table Tennis, 2626 Varian Road, Wooster, Ohio 44691 U.S.A. or e-mail him at [email protected].  Don has resumed making rackets under the Hock name after a job change which took him to various parts of the U.S., particularly the Northwest.  He should have British Leyland rubber, but as I haven't been in contact with Don for several years I don't know what he might charge in USD for two sheets of it.

Affixing British Leyland rubber to your Barna blade would assuredly give you a classic hardbat, but I'm not sure whether or not you could use it in a sanctioned tournament, as the Leyland & Birmingham Co. in Leyland, Great Britain, produced the rubber as a sideline to their general business of producing rubber materials for aircraft and automobiles before the ITTF began approving rubbers.

If you wish to try your Barna blade in a sanctioned tournament, I would suggest you visit Alberto Prieto's Valor Table Tennis website, which I believe is valortabletennis.com, and purchase one red and one black sheet of his Valor Premier rubber, which sells for $23.95 USD.  It can fit oversized blades, and I would suggest the version of Valor Premier which comes with a cloth backing.

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I believe the USATT used to have a rule that any racket deemed legal under the hardbat committee rules is legal for usatt play.  Not sure if that's still around, but it used to be my understanding.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I believe the USATT used to have a rule that any racket deemed legal under the hardbat committee rules is legal for usatt play.  Not sure if that's still around, but it used to be my understanding.

They rescinded the two-color waiver recently, so that isn't strictly true any more.
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Originally posted by Tassie52 Tassie52 wrote:

So, what should rubber should I put on it?  If you suggest British Leyland, then I'll ask for details of a supplier.  If not Leyland, then what?


Depends on your intentions.  If the goal is to make it as much like it was originally, then yes, scoring some Leyland rubber would be the way to go.

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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by Tassie52 Tassie52 wrote:

So, what should rubber should I put on it?  If you suggest British Leyland, then I'll ask for details of a supplier.  If not Leyland, then what?


Depends on your intentions.  If the goal is to make it as much like it was originally, then yes, scoring some Leyland rubber would be the way to go.



http://www.ittf.com/museum/TTC70.pdf

(Chuck Hoey, Curator, ITTF Museum)



A further question that always haunts and taunts me is what type of rubber did Victor deploy and when. In the mid nineteen thirties, it was almost certainly Leyland and we will soon understand a little more about his rackets of that time. But again, in the light of the title of this feature (the curtain slowly but surely opening more and more) another interesting 15 Early Barna racket, with signature logo and cork tip. Marcotulli Collection. tit-bit of information about rubber has just emerged. Fabio’s friend and former Venezuelan international, Denis Gaal (born a Hungarian) recently informed Fabio that Victor had once told him that the first pimpled rubber he glued to his racket was from the cash till of a cinema – a device designed to prevent coin slippage. Barna must have thought – ‘that looks useful - - - I’ll glue that on my bat.’ And of course it harks back to the tale of 1902 when E.C Goode was said to have done a similar thing when he too stuck on a piece of stippled or pimpled rubber, and it is thought he was the first person to have done so. But where did it come from – who knows? But we now know it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that all such rubber came from the Leyland and Birmingham Rubber Company, since it has quite recently been shown that L and B were well in to table tennis as early as 1902. The feature in edition 62 demonstrates that L and B made pimpled rubber for the grips of horses reins.


Edited by berndt_mann - 05/08/2015 at 4:43pm
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My father also has an old Dunlop Barna like that one, from middle 60's bt with 2 red rubbers and original bat cover. As soon as I go at him I'll take some photos to post
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tassie52 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/18/2015 at 9:18pm
Please help me!  I must have some horrible medical condition - possibly a mental illness.

Symptoms.
  1. Itching palm of my right hand whenever I go anywhere near the paddle case holding my Barna
  2. Overwhelming desire to "just have a little play with it"
  3. Urge to skip when I hear the ball bouncing of my hardbat setup
  4. Whooping when a forehand drive goes on (not a common symptom, it must be said)
More serious symptoms.
  1. An attack of "I don't care" when I lose to players I normally handle comfortably
  2. Heartburn when I realise I'm seriously failing to do justice to what is still a magnificent bat

Yesterday morning I played with the Barna against some guys who generally beat me pretty easily.  I pushed them both and even took a game off each of them.  Even so, I recognise that I'm underperforming with this style.  My main issue is I find it difficult to put pressure on my opponents.  Pushes and chops are consistent but no real spin to contend with.  My drives, both BH and FH, just don't have any real speed on them.

Where do I go for hardbat training videos?
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My friend had one in brand new package and sold it for $150usd to a collector i told him not to sell, it can be found for around  $300-400usd mint condition, new in package is a collectible worth much more.

someone mentioned Valor, they have one but not in original unused package

http://www.valortabletennis.com/#!product-page/c1hs9/0235ec1f-72e7-ea58-32c0-30300fa2e711


Edited by The Canadian Bacon - 12/18/2015 at 10:00pm
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