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Double Day Valiant Loop King Review |
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mhnh007
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Posted: 06/29/2015 at 9:34pm |
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That's what I thought. Thanks |
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You are asking a guy who can't even use different backhand and forehand rubbers to use different backhand and forehand speeds on his blade surface? Really? I do want to try the flare as I think that the Loop King would have had better balance with a straight handle.
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schen
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I do however still have an ST Terminator (ALC/ZLC combo) blade though
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Can't you send it on a flyer and I will pay if I like, return if I don't (LOL)?
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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schen
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I have one that is 86.6g although it is FL and koto outer ply, may not be to your liking from our conversations...
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Do you have a Winner to sell me? I think the lighter head will help with some of my pains... the blade is really good.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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schen
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Double Day's composite layers are thinner and of a different ratio of Arylate to Carbon than BTY's and typical clones. I think this lends itself to a crisper and more direct feel. I will be posting my own review of the DD ALC Winner sometime soon and will go into that a bit more!
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I've usually had the 11/1 o'clock contact position on both sides (well, until recently, when I made some mistakes interpreting changes that the coach gave me). This was more about how far I whipped my wrist through on my stroke. He wanted me let the wrist go through until my racket handle faced the wall on the left side on my BH loop. I usually stopped my stroke when the racket was flush with my hand as it gave me more "control". It was a simple change, but I mixed it up with other stupid things and ended up ruining my backhand for a while.
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Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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V-Griper
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Ah the 11 o'clock contact position!!!!! Be prepared for some serious level up on the BH. Man there is so much going on with that if you can work it into your flip. So much spin!! Just need to work in the counter hit and your on to the next level
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mhnh007
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The carbon layer in the video and in the picture at the online store does not show the 'fabric' texture like other ALC that I see. I hope some one has the close up of the side of the blade to see more clearly.
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Well, I liked the Peter Pan - just not heavy enough. Might still get one someday knowing me... I just lack touch, which is why I use the wood blades - the vibrations let me know things. But I know I have it all wrong mentally on the short strokes. If I had good short pushes, drop shits and stop blocks, I would beat defenders much more easily. If I fixed that, I think that wood blades could very well be a thing of the past for me - and my inventory would be cleared out.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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I switch back and forth but tend to favor the Evolution MX-S. It taught me that Tenergy 05 Requires a Faster blade than what I currently use. The real problem was the head heaviness. That I could not cope with because it required me to be higher up on the blade/handle than I would like to be for my loose wrist strokes and that was not ideal for my FH/BH transition. The power was ideal however - I was able to make some awesome shots from near mid distance to the table that I usually just don't make. With easy swings too. I have one video where I just did some crazy things to the ball and in my mind, I was like... wow! I usually can't do that as confidently with my all wood blades. https://youtu.be/An5iXgG9ej0?t=240 (to place the video in context, I have been trying to work through a recommendation someone made about my finishing position for my backhand loop and I didn't really understand what he wanted at first, but I figured it out finally - watching that video was the key last step). I saw Filip Szymanski's setup and he uses my favorite OFF wood blade (Force Pro) because he loves the control (hahahaha - sounds like me) but he did a handle modification with sandpaper on the conical flare to make it a straight handle. Food for thought... where's that sander... |
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Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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I already did, if you read my review. I played well with it.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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berkeleydoctor
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NL, it's funny that you're going from wood blades to carbon and im going the opposite direction
maybe we'll both switch back again soon
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cole_ely
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Until you play with it in a tournament, you don't really know how you'll like it.
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Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b
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Despite being thicker and using Anegre, it's actually slower than a Timo Boll Spirit. So it's possible for a lighter style. Initial Review completed.
Edited by NextLevel - 06/11/2015 at 1:12am |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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schen
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Thanks! I'll be at the Learning Tree club this evening for the adult classes if you happen to be around! And Double Day blades are manufactured in Taiwan. Double Day's office, warehouse, and factory are all in the same building.
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schen
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I believe it translates to what most companies call the "quick attack" style. More emphasis on speed as opposed to spin and designed for at the table play I suppose.
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tom
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" I am soon to be the exclusive distributor of Double Day in North America."
Congratulations. Hope we will have a new good and cheaper alternative to the unreasonable prices being charged by certain brands currently.
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Pondus
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Welcome back, Schen Let's play soon.
— Also, do you know where DD is having their blades manufactured?
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NextLevel
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Schen, If you go to the page for the Winner in the links that fatt provided, and you try to translate the page to English, you get a style for the winner called "Attack". This makes sense. If you go to the page for the Loop King and try the same translation, the same thing says "flurry", which may be "hurricane" for all I know. What is the intent in English?
Edited by NextLevel - 06/10/2015 at 2:45pm |
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Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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schen
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Well they aren't in the business of making clones like Yinhe and other Chinese brands. They are a Taiwanese brand, with ethics and quality more in line with Japan. The DD gear I have are their own take on blades. They also produce high quality 1-ply blades, using kiso hinoki and meniki among other cypress woods, but I did not bring back any samples of those with me. I am currently testing the ZLC/ALC terminator and the ALC winner (koto/alc). NextLevel is reviewing the third blade of the trio, the ALC loop king. I will have my own impressions of the other blades after I spend more time with them. If anyone else is interested in trying a new DD blade at discount, please PM me, as I am soon to be the exclusive distributor of Double Day in North America. I am trying to get an idea of the market interest and impressions of the blades before I begin moving larger volumes to North America!
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42andbackpains
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Nice...so are you saying these blades will be in the black tag quality. How did you like your penhold with the zlc/alc combo? |
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Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P
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tom
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an OEM should be able to duplicate a design they manufactured for a brand, but could they design any new blades without the acquired expertise? Quality is one thing but how they play maybe another. Or is it just a matter of slabbing together certain materials (wood / fiber / carbon)?
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schen
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The father and son carpentry team behind Double Day was the former OEM for very famous Japanese table tennis brands for over 20 years.
Although the specific companies they made blades for is confidential, let's just say that when they stopped being an exclusive OEM for a particular brand, that brand started putting silver tags on the bottoms of their handles instead of the black ones to signify the change in partnership and manufacturing. TT collectors will probably understand what I mean by "black tag."
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asifgunz
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Schen met with the owner of Double Day during his visit. Maybe he would know more
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42andbackpains
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Maybe someone can get some history/background info of Double Day.
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Mind is willing, but the back goes out too often :P
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NextLevel
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I believe Double Day is an OEM in Taiwan. They probably produced the Timo Boll ALC for a while as well (look at their Winner blade). |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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haggisv
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Who actually makes this blade NL?
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asifgunz
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To each his own.
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