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Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

If you like P7, you shoul test Donic Acuda Blue P1.


These are the rubbers which I had in mind to give a try:

Tibhar 5Q+
MX-P

Have you got any experience with these? And can you compare P1 with Adidas P7 in a few sentences? Is it similar, better or close to it?
MX-P and P7 are different in my eyes. I have played with MX-P only for a short time, but the top sheet is harder than P7. P7 and P1 have the same construction: hard sponge (both near 47°) and a soft top sheet. 

I don`t say, that P1 is better than MX-P (for some players this will be right, others will prefer MX-P), but P1 is close to P7 from the playing-skills: not too bouncy, very controllable in passive game, very spinny and fast enough for nearly everything. Maybe P7 has a little higher through compared to P1.

If you are looking for a Tibhar rubber, which is as similar like P7 as possible, you should try MX-S.

Originally posted by vajica vajica wrote:

We also mix celluloid and plastic balls still, and Acuda Blue P1  is horrible with celluloid balls. Low throw and too fast. It plays great with plastic though. 
MX-S behaves much better in both worlds, and so far it is the only other rubber i can play with.
Yet, I still play with P7 untill the stocks vanish :)

You think, that P1 is low through? Shocked And MX-S is higher through?
It seems, that we have a different feeling or different eyes. Wink

MX-S is better, if you are a very good player with perfect technique and if you have good foot work.
In this case MX-S is the right choice, but P1 is much easier to play (similar to P7).
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Could be that I am wrong, but please, notice, I find the throw of P1 too low only with celluloid balls, with plastic it is just right :)
It is much, much, much more difficult to lift the backspin balls than with both P7 and MX-S.

It is (in my humble opinion) also much bouncier with celluloid balls then MX-S, could also be the blade (Avenger Carbon) which has a lot of catapult by itself.
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I tried donic acuda blue p1 2 mm as substition for adidas p7, and rasant grip.
Both rubbers had totally another behaviour than adidas p7. RPG and P1 are harder, much lower throw and faster.Is s neceessary stronger swing with hand (only using wrist is not sufficient for loops).

What do you think about classic andro rasant?
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You should try the evolution fxp or quantum s
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

You should try the evolution fxp or quantum s


Is the throw angle of Quantum S as high as P7?
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Need further info from tests
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Why do you recommend fx-p and not el-p?
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Because EL-P has much harder top sheet
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But isn't fx-p too soft according to it's description? Is it anything like Rakza 7 Soft?
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Nope,  it plays harder than R7 soft, closer to normal Rakza
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Originally posted by vajica vajica wrote:

Nope,  it plays harder than R7 soft, closer to normal Rakza


Is it better at spin, speed and serving than R7 or P7? How about serve receiving/incoming spin?
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depends, I find P7 better at spin and serve, but you have to try it yourself.
It is less sensitive to incoming spin than P7, maybe a bit more than R7, somewhere in between...
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I think a good substitute could be cornileau target pro GT with purple color of the box as 4 models exist.
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Lovers of Adidas' rubbers, should give the Gewo Nanoflex series a thorough look. I have reviewed one of them here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73730&PN=1#907945



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Sorry for the necro guys but seemed more appropriate than starting a new thread.

Has any P7 fans found a substitute eventually that gave the same 'easy' spin and classic touch/feel?
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Why buy a substitute when you can buy the real thing?
I have got one RED MAX unused in pack and 1 RED MAX lightly used.
Asking $35 US + shipping (whatever it costs to ship) for both. Let me know if you want them.
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I ended up playing T05fx, it is not the same feeling, but gives me very similar results when playing with plastic ball.
Only the serve is not so dangerous anymore, but that is not my strongest side anyway.
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There is no substitute. Only rubbers that faintly approximate the performance of P7 in one or two aspects.
Best thing is to find something similar and get used to it.

MXS= too fast.
T05= too fast, not as spinny.
Bryce= not enough spin, good control.

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Isn't ITC the company that made rubbers/blades for Adidas? Shouldn't they have a rubber that is basically the P7 in playing characteristics?
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Originally posted by ChickenJesus ChickenJesus wrote:

Isn't ITC the company that made rubbers/blades for Adidas?

No ESN made the rubber for Adidas.
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Best substitutes for me (I was an exclusive P7 user on FH for ages)

1) Tibhar EL-P   -  plays VERY similarly ... I think the most similar rubber I have come across 

2) Tibhar Genius   - not exactly......but those who like P7 like Genius for same reasons

3) Xiom Omega V Euro - maybe this is a tiny bit less easy to control, but an excellent rubber, very similar spin based rubber

I can play without adjustment with all 3... but with EL-P it's almost like holding a P7 in hand
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Patrick,

I really appreciate your opinion on Nanoflex, as I've been pondering just how I'm going to replace the Adidas P7 on my BH when it's shot, but I don't think you can look strictly at a rubber from a performance standpoint without taking other factors into consideration.  P7 in 2.0 thickness is 64g uncut, whereas Nanoflex 48 is 70g.  I don't know about you, but I can feel a 2g difference in my blade weight, and if you're looking at an uncut difference of 6g between the two rubbers, that translates into a 4.2g weight increase on the average blade.  I'm wondering what you think of Fastarc G-1, which is only about 2g heavier.  I know the throw angle seems to be a bit lower than the P7 but many of the other stats are closer.  Among my other candidates are Yasaka Rakza 7, and possibly Andro Rasanter R42 or V42.  What are your thoughts?
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i think there is still no direct susbstitute for P7 =( ... the Rakza 7 seems closer to feel but the spin is less. The R47 also has lesser spin than P7. I miss Adidas and their products.
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"Best substitutes for me (I was an exclusive P7 user on FH for ages)

1) Tibhar EL-P   -  plays VERY similarly ... I think the most similar rubber I have come across "

Thanks for sharing Clarence. Funny thing, I have EL-S on my BH on two of my blades (Viscaria). EL-S is definitely faster(about 10%), and about 90% as spinny as P7 I find. It is close though. I was considering trying Tibhar Grip-S, since I had used it before P7. I see what the characteristics of EL-P are and see how it compares. Maybe its a closer fit than EL-S.

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I agree with yogi_bear - no direct substitute. Perhaps a thinner MX-P? Mind you, I haven't played with P7 in a long time, and many rubbers have been tested since then Smile.  My memory is not as clear any more.
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There have been so many technical advances in rubber and sponge over the last 2-3 years, and P7 has so many fans, it just amazes me that not one company has attempted to replicate it.  The package of spin, power, control and relative lightness are a winning combination, and it's still relevant in the plastic ball era.  The manufacturer that can introduce a direct replacement will have an immediate following.
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Using TableTennis Database ratings is an inexact science, but based on early review of Andro Rasanter R42, there is a pretty high correlation of scores on meaningful aspect of rubber performance with that of Adidas P7.

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P7 RASANTER R42
SPEED 8.8 9
SPIN 9.6 9.4
CONTROL 9.1 9.2
TACKINESS 2 1.3
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SPONGE HARD 6.5 4.7
THROW ANGLE 6.2 6.7
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Hello friends, check the macro photos in http://tt-maximum.com/forum/index.php/topic,4916.msg81362.html#msg81362, 
p7 is the same with m1 (if sponge hardness is 47.5 degree), mx-p, andro hexer and so on, like buterflay tenergy 80 ... but t80 has thiner upper layer like all tenergy from .... 2007 year. Just in 2017 year ESN offers NEW thin upper layer :) Beer


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I was looking at ITC website and found this: Powercell P5!

https://www.itc-tt.com/product-page/powercell-p5

"PowerCell P5" provieds new level of performance which is the ideal fusion of the speed of "PowerCell" MP" and the spin of "PowerCell RS". 
Enhanced tension effect by "Advanced Formula" realizes not only explosive power but also exellent stability.

In February, ITC has said on a Korean forum these words about this rubber (I saw this on TTD):
"ITC P5 feels like combining Adidas P5 and Adidas P7. More spin, less linear".

Maybe this rubber P5 is something to take a look for people who used P7.
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Nice to know someone is trying to recreate a P7 product.  I guess we'll have to wait for more information to appear on the product, and see how it performs.
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