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nv42
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I guess what they did was alter the pip geometry a tiny bit(realised after reading yogis review hehe) , so all in all I guess 5Q+ is a 'little' bit more dynamic and maybe less deader compared to the older 5Q. Sensitivity to incoming shots should be the same making the passive game almost similar while being a little lively the active game gets an improvement.
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Clarence247
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From what I was told... Hexer is the closest thing to P7 but I have never tried Hexer... can anyone compare? If I had to go for Tibhar I would lean towards MX-S and get used to it... or MX-P which I think is an overpowered, harder version of the same concept as P7 but... with less control on 3rd ball for sure....
So far it does seem that I will not really find a substitute and that I am going to have to make several adjustments...in that case I might aswell go for T05 as for me it's rather close to P7 but inferior for 3rd ball - and better at rallying
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yogi_bear
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Hexer is hard. It feels different from p7. Hexer hd is similar to tenzone.
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NextLevel
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I would actually have said Genius or Baracuda - but 5q is probably it.
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vvk1
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MX-P is nothing like P7. From Nextlevel's reviews, MX-S is even more different.
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vajica
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Nope, Hexer is nowhere near, tried it.
MX-S is certainly different, but seems like it could be a good choice if you're willing to make changes to your game. |
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vvk1
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If one's willing to make changes to their game, then any grippy rubber is a P7 substitute :-)
Edited by vvk1 - 08/09/2015 at 11:41am |
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vajica
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You got me there But, the change needed to play with H3 would be much, much bigger, you have to admit. MX-S should have at least couple of similarities; as I understood, it is (like P7) a rubber with not too much catapult, you have to play with the whole body to get the best out of it. |
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Magic_M
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I think, what Vajica means, is that P7 and MX-S both have a harder sponge and softer top sheet, while Andro Hexer has a harder top sheet. Therefore I agree: MX-S is near to P7 than Hexer.
Of course these rubbers are not extremely similar, because MX-S is slower in passive game (lower catapult) and faster, if you attack with full power.
I think, I am able to compare these two rubbers, because both are my actual choice, P7 (2,0) on forehand and MX-S (1,8) on backhand. |
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vajica
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Thanks Magic_M, it means a lot when you can compare them directly!
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vvk1
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Absolutely! I've gone through a switch from MX-P to H3 a year ago, and it took me almost an entire summer to get the hang of H3 on FH. So, yeah, it should be much easier to switch to MX-S from P7 than to H3 - but only because MX-S is not tacky like a Chinese rubber such as H3. It is tackiness and its effect on blocking and "flatter" strokes that really make H3 such a tricky beast to master. And "whole body playing" is useful regardless of which rubber you use on FH! |
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vajica
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Yep, my example of H3 was perhaps a bit too much, but I had to have a solid argument Anyway, I think you get my idea, as people report MX-S should be a really good rubber, esp. in plastic balls era, so it should be worth a try, and yet, it is not THAT far away from P7 as some other rubbers are. |
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vvk1
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+1. If I had to consider a replacement for P7 on FH now, I'd definitely be looking at MX-S - considering the unebbing flow of praise on this and other forums. |
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NextLevel
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No unebbing flow of praise here. I like the rubber, but it has its issues that you may or may not want to deal with, the most important is that it leads slightly larger strokes close to the table and much larger strokes away from the table than T05 or MX-P. It suits specific kinds of players - people with larger strokes, people who are comfortable with less ball arc, people who want Chinese like rubber without tack. But people looking for catapult or easy spin will hate it.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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vvk1
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I was just joking. Still, you must admit that considering the scathing reviews rubbers like Killerspin Fortissimo or Stiga Caligra had received in the past, what you, Ilya, and others wrote about MX-S is mainly positive.
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NextLevel
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Well, like all reasonable rubbers that do something good (T05, MX-P, Rasant, etc.), the criticism is relatively muted but does exist. If you produce enough spin, then you are okay with me, regardless of issues. You could probably count the rubbers I would truly enjoy using on one hand.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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AndySmith
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I like P7 and I cannot lie
Those other rubbers can't deny When a push comes in with itty bitty spin And you loop it in their face It gets spun. You swines got my interest in P7 up again - haven't tried it for ages. I used to find it a bit too jumpy in touch play, but it's just perfect with the new ball for me. It reminds me most of a harder-sponged Baracuda. I may stock up.
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MindTrip
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Nice parody, Andy. That's exactly what P7 reminds me of... Baracuda! 'Cuda with a better topsheet. I've recently and only briefly swapped to T05FX and T64FX, but have been disappointed in the results. Next on my list of possible suitors is Rasant Grip and Powergrip.
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asifgunz
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Hey Mindtrip, I will take your old rubbers ;D
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ThePongProfessor
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@mindtrip: Powergrip is definitively not P7. Rasant Grip is closer in this regard, but also not quite "it" (it has a slightly firmer, less dynamic feel). My hope resides with Tibhar rubbers...or off-brand P7 production.
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slevin
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Y'all shouldn't give up on P7 so early. I'm guessing that the reason Adidas bailed (apart from poor profitability) is that there must be plenty of unsold inventory around.
Rubbers have limited life, so look out for deep sales...
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NextLevel
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I prefer Baracuda. And Hexer.
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nv42
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How would yu guys compare the p7 vs the rakza 7 in terms of spin and speed? I'm guessing p7 being a tad bit spinnier with a higher throw and maybe a bit slower and ofcourse less jumpier.
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tabletennis11
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Donic Baracuda is a reasonable suggestion. Our equipment expert Matt used to use Adidas P7 and says it's a shame the brand will discontinue!
In terms of similarities the Tibhar Evolution MX-S is relatively similar to P7. It is a little heavier and there are some minor differences in feeling and throw but you could probably make a smooth enough transition between the two rubbers. Great to see so much experience and knowledge here in the forum about equipment, we love it! :)
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nv42
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But isn't the main reason many people love the p7 its easy to play nature? On the other hand mx-s is a lot more demanding right? Though both are uber spinny rubbers from what iv read.. So if it's only spin that the player is after! Then makes sense! Though I'm a bit confused abt whatever I just said lol 😂... PS- p7 vs rakza7 anyone?
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NextLevel
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P7 is not as spinny as MX-S - if it were, I would be using P7. I have only been able to compare the spin of MX-S to Tenergy 05 for my stroke feeling, though I used different levels of contact for both rubbers given the different sponge hardnesses.
P7 is bouncier than Rakza 7, but one person who used them both could not stand Rakza 7 after having used P7 for a while. His level is between 1750 and 2000 depending on the day and his mood, for what its worth. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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vajica
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You answered it yourself already :D The throw is the main problem for switching to R7, other is fine for me. The good news is, I tried MX-S :) :) :) and, yep, IMO it is a great rubber. Harder overall feel then with P7, though the surface is also soft. Spinny as you and your body can make it! The only thing is, slow, controlled loops are much easier done with P7, you simply must loop very active every time with MX-S, but when oyu get it right you are rewarded 100% |
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NextLevel
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The stroke for slow spinny loops with MX-S is larger. Whether it is harder or not depends on your technique.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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nv42
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Damnit! Sooo need to stock up on some p7 😛
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1.dhs pg2 fl
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ashishsharmaait
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TT11, it is so unreasonable that you don't sell what your equipment expert uses. You should get some P7 and start a fire sale. |
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