P7 Substitute

I don't think R7 is  a proper substitute for P7. Despite it's rating as hard, the P7 plays rather soft, due to it's soft topsheet. It plays softer than R7 for sure (my opinion at least ;)

Edited by p1ngp0ng3r - 08/16/2015 at 7:05am

P7's hard sponge / soft topsheet is great, and is a world away from Rakza 7. 7 soft has a really different feel and behaves totally differently in high gears, but isn't so different in other areas.

It's tricky to get a direct replacement. MX-S is faster, much harder in feel, lower throw, and requires different techniques to get the best out of it.

I'd say that the closest from the recent ESN range is Omega V Asia, which shares the hard sponge soft topsheet approach. It's faster than P7 though.

P7 allows me to attack very aggressively when close in with a big safety margin without too many sacrifices in other areas. Perhaps it's too slow on the drive/block to be a truly high-end rubber (MX-S shines here), but it's a lot of fun for a bumbling amateur like me. I'm stocking up in the hope that someone re-releases it.

Can somebody compare P7 and Rasant Powergrip, speed, spin, how easy to play with?

Thank you Patrick. Seems like PG and RPG worth a try.

personally I prefer higher throw angles for equal balance on topspin and backspin incoming balls.

Edited by ahsq - 08/17/2015 at 4:24pm

AndySmith wrote: P7's hard sponge / soft topsheet is great, and is a world away from Rakza 7. 7 soft has a really different feel and behaves totally differently in high gears, but isn't so different in other areas. It's tricky to get a direct replacement. MX-S is faster, much harder in feel, lower throw, and requires different techniques to get the best out of it. I'd say that the closest from the recent ESN range is Omega V Asia, which shares the hard sponge soft topsheet approach. It's faster than P7 though. P7 allows me to attack very aggressively when close in with a big safety margin without too many sacrifices in other areas. Perhaps it's too slow on the drive/block to be a truly high-end rubber (MX-S shines here), but it's a lot of fun for a bumbling amateur like me. I'm stocking up in the hope that someone re-releases it.

So have you stocked up on P7 :P

Have you tried MX-P as well? If so how would you compare it with MX-S and P7? Which one would be better replacement for P7? From what I've read people are suggesting MX-S but with a warning that I will need to alter my game a bit to get the hang of it.

If you like P7, you shoul test Donic Acuda Blue P1.

LOG1C1AN wrote: I have 2 sheets of P7 available in the For Sale section.

Hi, sent you a PM

Magic_M wrote: If you like P7, you shoul test Donic Acuda Blue P1.

These are the rubbers which I had in mind to give a try:

Tibhar 5Q+
MX-P

Have you got any experience with these? And can you compare P1 with Adidas P7 in a few sentences? Is it similar, better or close to it?

AndySmith wrote: unstopabl3 wrote: So you found OVA to be the best alternative for Adidas P7? I mean in terms of same feel and very less adjustments to your game? I feel it's the closest of the new-gen ESN rubbers that I've tried.  I think you'll get closer if you go back to the older-gen products, but I prefer the newer topsheets with the plastic ball so.... The main thing is that I can play the same way on the FH with OVA and get very similar results to P7.  I rely on mixing very brushy loops with more direct drives, perhaps a little unconventional (I spent a long time with tacky rubbers as a youth and ended up with an overly brushy style), so be aware that this might not be the answer for everyone.  But essentially, OVA is less bouncy than P7, faster higher gear, but has a very similar feel with plastic to P7 with celluloid, and performs just as well with a mixed brush/drive approach.  And that's what I'm looking for.

Yes you have a different game-style than mine, I usually like to attack on third ball and play a lot of sidespin rallies where I desire a medium arc and lots of spin with not too high bounce.

And yes I'm playing with the celluloid ball haven't moved onto plastic yet.

there are still lots of p7 being sold and all are legal until end of 2016. If it is of any consolation to you, ITC will be releasing a rubber si@ilar to P7 but with a modified characteristic that you will enjoy.

please list the sources for P7 Max Black 

unstopabl3 wrote: yogi_bear wrote: there are still lots of p7 being sold and all are legal until end of 2016. If it is of any consolation to you, ITC will be releasing a rubber si@ilar to P7 but with a modified characteristic that you will enjoy. Can you please name the sources, I can't seem to find any for black 2.0mm rubbers. And when will ITC release this rubber? And is it like they've taken over the inventory and science of adidas or will they copy the P7 technology in some way?

unstopabl3 wrote: yogi_bear wrote: there are still lots of p7 being sold and all are legal until end of 2016. If it is of any consolation to you, ITC will be releasing a rubber si@ilar to P7 but with a modified characteristic that you will enjoy. Can you please name the sources, I can't seem to find any for black 2.0mm rubbers (other than megaspin who is selling it so expensive and on top shipping is like $50 ) And when will ITC release this rubber? And is it like they've taken over the inventory and science of adidas or will they copy the P7 technology in some way?

Shoot TibiKE a message. He still carries P7 in all sizes/colors. I paid about $35USD.

buddyc234 wrote: unstopabl3 wrote: yogi_bear wrote: there are still lots of p7 being sold and all are legal until end of 2016. If it is of any consolation to you, ITC will be releasing a rubber si@ilar to P7 but with a modified characteristic that you will enjoy. Can you please name the sources, I can't seem to find any for black 2.0mm rubbers (other than megaspin who is selling it so expensive and on top shipping is like $50 ) And when will ITC release this rubber? And is it like they've taken over the inventory and science of adidas or will they copy the P7 technology in some way? Shoot TibiKE a message. He still carries P7 in all sizes/colors. I paid about $35USD.

I got it from him the first time around but unfortunately he's all out of stock :(