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Andro Rasant Power Grip and Rasant Beat Review |
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yogi_bear 
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 Topic: Andro Rasant Power Grip and Rasant Beat ReviewPosted: 09/18/2015 at 4:01am |
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Andro
Rasant Power Grip Weight:
76 grams (uncut) Hardness:
Medium Hard Speed:
OFF
Andro
Rasant Beat Weight:
60 grams (uncut) Hardness:
Soft Speed:
OFF
Andro
Spin Fix
This
is the 1st 2 rubbers for Andro that I have reviewed. Andro was kind
enough to let me try their Spin Fix Gluing Set for their rubbers. Let me
mention in passing that the Andro Spin Fix glue is the first kind of glue that
I have tried which has specific glue for the blade and the rubber. The bigger
bottle with a light green color for the glue is the one used for the sponge and
the smaller bottle which has a white glue color is the one used for the blade.
I do not know the reason why they made 2 separate glues for the sponge and blade
but I guess they are trying to protect the top plies of the blade from having glue
that is too sticky and produces a strong bond. Both glues do not have a very
strong odor so they are tolerable. The glue for the blade seems less viscous or
has a thinner characteristic and dries faster by about 5-7 minutes than the
glue for the rubber. The glue for the rubber is thicker and bonds well with
sponge. I have removed and re-glued the rubber and blade several times and I
didn’t have any problems concerning splintering of top plies of the blade and
the glue was fairly easy to remove from the sponge too.
The
blade that I used for testing the 2 rubbers is the Andro Ligna Off. With both
rubbers on the Ligna Off, there was a slight shift of weight towards the tip of
the blade. I think this was due to the weight of the Andro Rasant Power Grip.
Overall
Impressions
The
Powergrip feels medium hard on impact. It feels as hard as an EL-P but not as
hard as an MX-P or Maxxx 500. The Beat is very soft but doesn’t bottom out
easily compared to other very soft rubbers. The Beat’s softness feels like a
classical Mark V 30 degree rubber but a bit firmer. For
speed, I would give it to the Rasant Beat. It is softer than a T64 and has
lesser speed but this rubber is very bouncy and fast for a soft rubber.
However, it’s speed is limited up to middle distance from the table only. The
Rasant Powergrip seems to be of lesser speed. The original Rasant is way
faster. In terms of spin, I find the Rasant Beat easier to spin. The Powergrip
may have a more grippy topsheet but I find it easier to spin with the Beat. I
have always been fond of hard or medium hard rubbers and I can spin better with
hard or medium rubbers because I brush a lot on my contact but the combination
of the soft sponge and topsheet of the Beat seem to make very easy looping
strokes against underspin. When you loop with the soft Beat you would tend to
hit more through the sponge and gives more spin compared to the Powergrip even when
I brush with the Powergrip and when I am hitting through the sponge. The Powergrip
in my opinion should be used in an off or off+ blade and not on a slow blade.
The Beat is not picky on the speed of the blades but I suggest placing them on
a medium hardness blade up to very stiff blades. The Beat is good both for
backhand and forehand but seems to be best suited as a backhand rubber. Both
rubbers have a high arc when looping with the Ligna OFF but the Powergrip has a
bit lower of an arc. In terms of blocking for both forehand and backhand, the
Beat shines because it is easy to control. Both rubbers are not so sensitive to
incoming spin. For spinny pushes and serves, the Powergrip’s spin is better.
Also, since the Powergrip is not too bouncy it is controllable on dropshots. My
personal pick for both rubbers – obviously it’s the Rasant Beat. It is a good
all-around offensive rubber that is just good on about everything. The Rasant
Powergrip needs a bit of skill to fully utilize its mechanics.
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Kolev
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Posted: 09/18/2015 at 4:26am |
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Very helpful, as usual. Thanks a lot. Good to know that there is a soft rubber that can play OK with the new ball, or is it?
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Posted: 09/18/2015 at 9:45am |
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Yes I forgot to mention that I played both poly and celluloid balls for this test.
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Posted: 09/18/2015 at 2:54pm |
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If you have tried rasant grip, do you have any thoughts (playstyle-wise for yourself) for comparison versus powergrip?
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Posted: 09/18/2015 at 2:58pm |
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Beat sounds like a rubber built from the legend of the Unicorn in this review.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Posted: 09/18/2015 at 3:40pm |
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yogi_bear,
First off - thank you for your many reviews. They are always very informative. Much appreciated! In this particular instance, I am surprised by your lukewarm enthusiasm for the RPG. I have been testing RPG, MX-P and T-05 extensively over the past couple of weeks (using identical all-wood OFF blades) and have found both RPG and MX-P to be a tad faster, spinnier and more controllable than T-05 in offensive FH play (loop, smash and - especially - power-drives), and equivalent in short play (I play SPs in BH and cannot comment on the rubbers' BH potential). Your review suggests that RPG is rather slow, which I disagree with. In my hands speed is: RPG>MX-P>T05; imparted spin on serves and pushes is: RPG~MX-P>T05 (relatively small differences though); throw (from high-to-low) and ease of FH loop against BS: T05>MX-P>RPG. I can use these rubbers interchangeably with only minor adjustments, with a slight preference for MX-P and RPG, especially when taking costs into consideration. I wonder if the glue that you used might have had a role to play (I used Revo 3) ??
Edited by patrickhrdlicka - 09/18/2015 at 4:36pm |
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Posted: 09/18/2015 at 8:02pm |
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I had an mxp on one side and the rpg on the other in an itc xr blade which is sort of a tb alc blade. All my drilling partners were saying that when i use the rpg it spins less than mxp and is slower.i brush a lot on my strokes like using an h3 so i expected my strokes to be very spinny with the rpg but it takes some effort. On the beat, i find it easier to spin with.
I have tried rasant grip shortly and i think i like it better than rpg. |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 at 2:50pm |
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I have been using Rasant Grip and Power Grip in 1.9mm. I have recently been using Rasant Beat for 1 week. The blade is the Ross Leidy Rapscallion (OFF-).
2 things: 1. I really like both the Grip and Power Grip. 2. As to the marketing claims that the Beat "sounds" great, I would call B.S. on that. In fact, the Grip and Power Grip sound WAY better on smashes. On my blade, both Grip and Power Grip make a satisfying pop that commands attention. The Beat, by contrast, is much more muted. It makes a pleasant, but not powerful woody sound. Edited by AngeloPB - 10/23/2015 at 3:57pm |
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I'm testing Powergrip, MX-P and M1 past couple of weeks and my conclusions are closer to patrickhrdlicka's view. On my forehand those rubbers are pretty much interchangeably with small adjustments on the bat angle. RPG is a fast, spiny mid throw rubber, slower and softer than MX-P and M1, but not by far, it's a really close call. That is how I rate them: Overall Speed: M1>MX-P>RPG Max Speed: M1>MX-P~RPG (smashing / flat hitting) Throw: M1>MX-P>RPG Easy to loop against BS: RPG(second just to MX-S)>M1>MX-P *on slow loops RPG has more spin Bounciness: M1>MX-P>RPG Overall Spin: MX-P~RPG>M1 Max Spin: M1~MX-P>RPG (you need the sponge working to unleash M1 potential) Spin on serves is about the same, placement is easier with RPG. Touch: it's personal, but I like RPG better. Hitting I like M1>RPG>MX-P Looping I prefer MX-P>RPG>M1 *M1 is great for looping, it has good dwell time and grabs the ball nicely, but I had a couple of balls going into the net without apparent reasons with a proper stroke and full of spin. It got my attention because I never had this experience with MX-P or RPG. MX-S makes it when you are out of position, but that was not the case. Overall RPG is a viable option for any offensive player. I don't share Yogi_bear's lukearm enthusiasm for this rubber except for the toxic green sponge. It's cool, but ... green?
Edited by Nasche - 05/22/2016 at 3:22pm |
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