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the_theologian
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So I booster cKylin with one layer of Falco Long. That will make it come alive, right?
Uh, no. This rubber is light years away from the quality of the latest revisions of Air Illumina and Air DefenderS. Not even close, guys. Right now I'm soaking the top sheet with Falco life extender to see if I can salvage them. Even boosted 868 (the $5 version) blows this out of the water. |
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NextLevel
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There is a reason these rubbers are unknown.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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yogi_bear
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Wait for about 3 weeks for the ckylin i sent you. The one you have is the old one
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Egghead
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Maybe you should add one more layer of Falco Long; Some Chinese rubbers need 2 layers
Edited by Egghead - 10/12/2015 at 10:39pm |
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vanjr
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Air AssasinS and illumina are also unknown, but the reason is not that they do not play well. Many, many unknown rubbers out there play pretty good (with good technique of course)/ It sounds like cKylin (older version) may be the one to try on that "way too fast for my level" carbon blade to see if that helps.
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the_theologian
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Yes, but the topsheets are still the same, no? |
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the_theologian
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This rubber could turn a Boll Tricarbon or Xiom Ignito into a vehicle floormat in terms of speed and dynamic play. |
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cole_ely
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get some pf4-1, which I've labeled "instant hock."
actually I haven't seen pf4-1 in years
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Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b
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If you say so, VanJr. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Ray
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Is anyone familiar with Sanwei Target National? Not a cheap rubber though, but unknown probably being new and limited in quantity, AFAIK.
Edited by Ray - 10/12/2015 at 1:05pm |
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JimT
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I just got two rather cheap and relatively unknown rubbers rumored to be pretty good (at some European forums) - Spinlord Irbis, and Palio Hidden Dragon Biotech (both non-tacky, Euro-Japanese style attacking rubbers). Will report in a few days.
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GeneralSpecific
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I've been very interested in how Irbis plays. I heard it has the same sponge as my Waran. Is it an orange soft sponge? |
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JimT
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Don't have it with me right now, will let you know later. |
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the_theologian
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The Falco Life Expander helped the cKylin rubbers.... a little. If anyone wants my two sheets, cut to a Korbel, I'll ship them both to you for $8
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yogi_bear
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I have tried the target national from sanwei. It is very spinny but also tacky. Speedwise it's like hurricane 3 commercial. A bit softer on the topsheet with a hard sponge. I thi k megaspin will be carrying this.
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yogi_bear
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Theo, same topsheet but the blue sponge makes it different in perfomanc3.
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the_theologian
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I get that. But this topsheet is pretty pitiful in my opinion. Just a basic spin test by bouncing the ball shows it has nowhere near the grip of any tensor, tg3neo, illumina, defenderS, etc besides, boosting the old sponge should start to replicate the better performing new sponge
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mttgfg
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I em also interested in both rubbers.JimT did you order the biotech or the biotech upgrade.When you do the review please specify along with hardness.Thank you. Also i read that in November Spinlord is going to release irbis II , should have the same topsheet but the sponge will be harder around 45deg. Edited by mttgfg - 10/12/2015 at 8:25pm |
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asifgunz
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Pf4 has a blue sponge.
I think someone should look unto the g555 g666 777 and 888 series by dhs. They keep getting pushed under the mat because people now a days are either hurricane/tg3 or no dhs at all. Im not an ej so xp . |
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GeneralSpecific
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Now I'm even more interested in Irbis 2. The original Irbis is too soft for my forehand. Waran's sponge (and probably Irbis and other SpinLord sponges) meets the standard set by ESN so I wonder about the topsheet of Irbis. Is the grip of the topsheet as good as that of modern ESN topsheets? How does it compare to MXP/S, T05, and Omega 5 as far as topsheets go? |
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yogi_bear
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there are some pics of the Sanwei National Target
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JimT
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My Irbis has a light orange-yellowish sponge. Palio HDB has a white sponge. It didn't say anything about upgrade, so I assume it is a regular HDB. Sponge is stamped as 36-38 hardness. They are both quite light which is a plus for me - the cut sheets weigh about 39-40 g. |
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GeneralSpecific
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Interesting. It might be the same sponge then. How about the topsheet? In my previous post I was curious how grippy it is compared to some other modern topsheets. |
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mttgfg
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i think the upgrade version has a sticker top right with arrows(on the package), the non upgrade has the biotech logo. Edited by mttgfg - 10/12/2015 at 11:09pm |
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JimT
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Haven't played with it yet but tomorrow I will. Then I will report back with some initial impressions. I put Irbis on one side, Palio HD Biotech on the other. |
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mttgfg
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yogi does the sanwei target national justify its price, since is same or more then dhs hurricane skyline neo series?
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ahsq
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I thought the whole purpose of getting a "Best Unknown Rubbers" is for the price reason. If the Irbis costs $20 and target costs $25, what the heck is the point? Might as well pay $10 more and get a legitimate ESN rubber for $35.
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Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
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the_theologian
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Agreed. Even the Palio Tensors are less than $30 get some five dollar sheets of 868 and boost the sponge. case closed
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NextLevel
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Bedt unknown is not purely about price. You need to know the quality as well.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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GeneralSpecific
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Exactly. Let's say you are comparing a Donic Bluefire rubber (a well known tensor series) with some unknown rubber. Now, let's say they cost exactly the same. You try out both and find out that you actually think that the unknown rubber plays better for you. Are you going to purchase Bluefire only because it's "known" and "popular"? Even when the unknown rubber gives you better results? |
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