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the_theologian
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We're up to six versions now? It's a bit confusing. At a minimum, I'd like to figure out the release date (when it actually hit the market) and sponge hardness for each version. And I also want to know which share the same topsheet (if any, since they each have their own labeling).
I'll update this first post as the data rolls in and will try to make a user-friendly chart of some sort (chart 1.0 now released). Updated with the release years provided by zeio. If you see any discrepancies, let me know. Updated with sponge hardnesses for Rasant, Turbo, and Powersponge. Taken from here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24689 Updated with sponge hardnesses for Powergrip and Grip. Taken from here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65944 Updated with sponge hardness for Beat. AndySmith has spoken Updated: zeio found Andro Japan's site and noted that all sponge hardnesses are listed http://www.andro.jp/?item_cat=rubber playing around with a chart....
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Rasant was like 2012
Rasant Turbo 2013 Rasant Powersponge 2013 Rasant Grip 2014 Rasant Powergrip 2014 Rasant Beat 2015 For exact hardness, just check it out at the Andro official site. Rasant Powergrip > Grip =? Turbo > Rasant > Powersponge >=? Beat
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Thanks for getting this started zeio. btw I checked Andro's site but I don't see sponge hardness in degrees
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Then I'd also like to sort out which share the same topsheet (if any).
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One of the most confusing things about this series is the fact that the "powersponge" is 40deg. Then, they turn around and make the "powergrip" 50deg???
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I played with (and like) rasant a few years ago. But i agree "it is a bit confusing" and that is saying something for an EJ like me. It is so confusing I do not think it is worth any effort on my part to figure it out. Simply bad marketing if you ask me. Kind of like how Mark V had all those versions a longer time ago.
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I am guessing that PG, G and Beat have the same 2nd generation topsheet, while Rasant, Turbo, and Powersponge have the same 1st generation top sheet.
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i thought one of the rasants were around 37.5 degrees, is it beat?
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Almost. Original Rasant was very similar to Bluefire M1. Just a different pip configuration, lower throw. 1st gen I suppose. Turbo and Powersponge were like the Bluefire JP range, again slightly different pip layout, lower throw. 2nd gen. Grip and Powergrip are in that nether region between ranges. Sort of like JP02 was a JP topsheet but on a larger-pore sponge (like an untuned M sponge). Close to JP02 and JP01 Turbo, but again noticeable differences. 2.5 gen, a mix of various bits old and new. Beat is totally new. 37.5 degree, super-soft topsheet like Acuda Blue. 3rd gen. From memory, zeio has the years and order of release correct. Softness levels haven't been available on all the Andro packaging over the years so I don't think you'll get accurate figures.
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Andy,
Are you saying that Turbo and Powersponge are the exact same topsheet? (Other than stamped wording of course. And same question for Grip and Powergrip.)
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I'm not sure. They're from the same generation though, if you get my meaning. Like, the original Rasant had the shiny topsheet you see in Bluefire M. Then Turbo and Powersponge had the matt look of the Bluefire JP range (and same grippy feel). And then Grip and Powergrip remain matt/grippy, but have different sponge types underneath them. And now Beat is totally different once again. But are they identical topsheets? I don't know. Could easily be pip differences.
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Thanks for your EJ contribution
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Don't know why Andro Germany chooses not to but Andro Japan shows hardness in degrees instead. The figures above are accurate to the degree.
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Good find zeio! |
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Yes, very nice!
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chart 1.0 has been published
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I used Rasant Turbo on my FH for two years and a bit and loved it but found it lacked grip and spin--speed was same I thought--with the new f*&^n' poly ball. So I switched to the Powergrip which I also now love. The Powergrip is definitely a different topsheet to Turbo. It is amazingly grippy. Great rubber, reasonably--compared to Tenergy--priced and two months in of 3 sessions a week, pretty durable.
Oh, and the sponge feels much harder to me than the Turbo. Chart 1.0 looks about right to me. Cheers!
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One of my teammates has used Aurus for ages, but has struggled a lot with plastic. He switched last week to Rasant Grip and is much happier. Says he can feel the ball again, whatever that means. He seems much happier anyway.
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I know what he means, Andy. You can feel it stick into the topsheet on serves, slow loops, pushes and such which I couldn't using older Rasant w/the new ball. The topsheet is thinner, I think and the rubber is gloopier, to use the technical term.
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mmm... gloopy... sounds yummy
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so, Rasant Grip... where would this fall in relation to MX-P and EL-P, in terms of hardness and grippiness
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Overall hardness is closest to EL-P. Evolution's topsheet is last-gen, similar to Bluefire M. Very grippy but...well, I feel that they slip a bit on soft contact. You have to get the topsheet stretching to avoid it. Newer gen topsheets like RG are softer, different composition, not shiny. I feel more secure with the newer stuff. Good technique probably avoids all issues though, and better players won't have this sensation. |
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MX-P is slightly harder (~46.5 vs 45), tackier, but IMO produces slightly less spin (ball sinks more into sponge with the RG)...MX-P is a little faster. I have never tried EL-P.
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thanks gents,
would it also be fair to say that R Grip would produce a tighter, more "loopy" arc than EL-P and MX-P
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by the way, where did you find hardness levels for the Evo series?
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Let me put it like this: If my game was based on a spinny slow 1st loop, I would pick RG. If instead, I want to make fast loop drives and more direct hits, I would opt for MX-P. Both are great rubbers, with excellent durability.
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RPG came alive on a 5-ply all wood OFF blade. Felt dead on a 5+2 Zephylium carbon blade.
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How to make any rubber come alive on any blade: good technique.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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try to say that again after playing 729 OEM against my MX-P.
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I will play $8 Dawei XP2008 on a $20 Dawei Quattro Limba vs your MX-P but that is not my point. My point is that the sounder your technique is, the more your decisions about rubbers in the same class becomes more about preferences than objective superiority. Rasant Grip is a great rubber. I used it as my first plastic ball rubber and dis pretty well with it. Edited by NextLevel - 10/05/2015 at 5:46pm |
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