best attacking long pips

I had the Viscaria with DtecS no sponge.  Superb combination.  For your rating range it's lethal.  You won't regret it.

Theoretically, is 1.5-1.7 the thickest one can go with long pips?

van_doorn wrote: Hi All, [DIV] ..... [/DIV][DIV]... I'm going to turn the blade during points so the pips will be on the FH and BH side. [/DIV][DIV] .... [/DIV]

From what I found on the web, at elite level LP players turn the blade (twiddle) only after the oponent gives them a slow boll (mostly a short underspin serve to their FH). And then quickly twiddle back.

1500 players are not tricked by my LPs and I'd like to twiddle more (not just slow balls) as my inverted BH is OK, but then what can one do if caught having to answer a long low ball with LPs on FH? Even against a robot there is such a small margin of error if counterhitting, and the return is slow. Using Grass D.Tecs in OX. Thanks!

Edited by pitigoi - 11/20/2015 at 9:29am

Look into 388D-1... very popular LP in China and very inexpensive too. 388D-1 has grip unlike 388D and I think it would be very close to what you are looking for.  Not sure about Viscaria.. I am using LP on an Acoustic which is between OFF- and OFF and I would not go any faster than that.

Edited by notfound123 - 11/20/2015 at 10:48am

I tried a few ox lp`s on Donic Wosik carbon blade where the carbon is the second ply down like your Viscaria against some of the better local league players in my area ,on some of the pips I could feel the carbon too much which didn`t allow me to make enough backspin when chopping ,then I tried the old standard Tibhar grass in ox(not Detecs)and the carbon feel disappeared and allowed good backspin production and has enough grip to attack,a glue sheet also helps a little here imo,if the grass de tecs doesn't work this might be a good option for you

Edited by firetack - 11/21/2015 at 3:51am

the three best long pips attackers I know all over 2200 USATT use Meteor 8512, Yasaka Phantom 012, and TSP Curl P2.

For who has rating over 2300, OX long pips is a waste because he can't counter attack or add-in more under-spin. I don't believe an US player rating over 2300 have any trouble against OX version.
However, 0.5-08mm 388D-1 can make the game different. 1.2mm Grass Dtecs could work really well in many cases and 1.6mm is the best if you have both defense and attack technic.

I've just received the Dawei 388D-1 in red no sponge. The rubber is very thin and it's see through, so not usable with a blade with a print on it. I've hit with it a few times and i must say the pips are very soft. I've tried these and the Feint Long II. The Feint is better for chopping and the Dawei is better for attacking, but the Feint is more pleasant for all the in between shot like blocking etc. I've tested it on an Acoustic btw. Not sure what to do next, start playing with the feint, the dawei or something else...?

TSP Curl 4

My experience with the Feint II (1.0 mm) was that it didn't load the spin on the first chop, but the second and third chops had more spin.  I played at a lower level than you, about 1800 usatt rating, so could have been my technique of course.  It also counter attacked very well even against 2100+ players loops.  Gave me lots of options in offense and defense.

van_doorn wrote: I've just received the Dawei 388D-1 in red no sponge. The rubber is very thin and it's see-through, so not usable with a blade with a print on it.