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Originally posted by Fedex78 Fedex78 wrote:

Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Originally posted by Fedex78 Fedex78 wrote:

The best would be a ball with the roundness and durability of the np40+ and the ability to take spin of the dhs 40+, but i fear it's just a dream...


Last thing I want with a ball is to have the durability of the Nittaku NP 40's.....it sucks!   They deform easy, discolor and get glassy smooth quickly.  Their durability is only good for a few matches. 

After beating the heck out of the DHS D40+ ball....it only discolors somewhat......but is much much more durable than the NP40's.  The DHS D40+ balls are also very very round!





you are the first person that i know who complains about the np40+ durability, in my club no one complained... I forget that mileage can vary a lot



I will be second person. I am using NP40+ about last half year and they break a lot. I would say no better durability then XSF but much more expensive. Won't buy it again for sure
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Xsf sports are very good balls, just a bit flying random sometimes...Me too i won't buy the nittaku, no spin is no fun
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Originally posted by Fedex78 Fedex78 wrote:

Xsf sports are very good balls, just a bit flying random sometimes...Me too i won't buy the nittaku, no spin is no fun


At a point, there were some complaints in recent years that XSF had quality control issues and were willing to sell balls that were less round than when they first came out.  That has not seemed to be a problem for any of the other seamless brands, who seem to insist on high levels of roundness for balls they get from the same factory. 
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Originally posted by Fedex78 Fedex78 wrote:

Xsf sports are very good balls, just a bit flying random sometimes...Me too i won't buy the nittaku, no spin is no fun
haha, are you playing in our clubs? (just kidding)
Few players in our clubs insist on playing with xsf seamless only, even secretly replace the game ball to xsf during the match. They complain that the seamed ball's tone, speed, spin make them very uncomfortable  LOLLOLLOLLOL


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At my club Nittaku has been by far the preferred ball but people use XSF also (especially for drills and multiball etc).  We also occasionally see some blue label Yinhe (an excellent seamless ball).

Now everybody who has had a chance to try one has been buying D40+.  Very soon that will be the dominant ball at my club because of its price and because people find it easy to use coming from either the Nittaku or seamless. 

Personally for the last few years I used Nittaku for matches and free play, but used XSF for stuff where I needed a bucket of balls.  (Nittaku has been WAY to expensive to use that way).  But now I can use D40+ in a bucket because of their excellent current price.

To me the Nittaku always seemed "spinnier" in that opponents were more likely to block my loops off the table, whereas XSF seemed to arc more and sink faster and also traveled slower through the air.  Of course, none of those things are actually "spin" per se (angular velocity or angular momentum).

It seems to me that the higher bounce of XSF makes that the one where it is particularly easy to hit right through spin.
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The ball is terrible like all of the new rubbish elephant balls with the only exception of XSF balls

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At my club it's a split between the NP40+ and the XSF seamless. The only real complaint about the Nittaku is the price, if they were the same it would be the overwhelming favorite.

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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

At my club it's a split between the NP40+ and the XSF seamless. The only real complaint about the Nittaku is the price, if they were the same it would be the overwhelming favorite.

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The good news for your club is that the D40+ solves that problem.
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If we were to replace the XSF seamless in our local tournaments with something noticeably different... I am not sure who would like it. 

One good change would be to stop changing it.
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

If we were to replace the XSF seamless in our local tournaments with something noticeably different... I am not sure who would like it. 

One good change would be to stop changing it.
ya, sound, speed and spin are all different LOL
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Does anyone here use the new Nittaku Japan training balls?


In our club, people prefer the NP40+ for serious match play but use these other balls for everything else.  We have a lot of the XSF 3  star balls and people use them for practice, but no one ever asks for them for match play.  Right now I'm trying to get people into the D40+, but so far they're reluctant.
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I haven't tried those, but the J-top balls are quite good as training balls.

With that said, you can buy D40+ 3-stars from TTNPP for less than Nittaku training balls!  (72 balls for $40).
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I just gave out the balls for free.  After a few people used them, the word of mouth grew and everyone started asking me where to buy them.  THe balls are cheap enough that this is the best approach, though I know some people don't believe in giving out free stuff.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I just gave out the balls for free.  After a few people used them, the word of mouth grew and everyone started asking me where to buy them.  THe balls are cheap enough that this is the best approach, though I know some people don't believe in giving out free stuff.


I have been slowly infiltrating my club by giving out the d40+ balls to guys that have been playing only with the Nittaku NP40 balls.   After they play with it for a match and I explain the cost....first question out of their mouths is WHERE CAN IN GET A BUNCH OF THESE ?  LOL

I have to order a lot now just go keep my stash for service practice and playing. 

To bad USATT is in bed with Nittaku....hope that can change in the future.


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I think it's fine USATT is in bed with Nittaku. They likely still make the *best* ball. We just now have a cheaper option that plays nearly the same. It's good that the label of the ball won't be so jarring in the future.
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I know that Westchester TTC and XSF has a deal going of some sort where they use XSF balls in their tournaments. Does anyone know whether or not they are considering switching to the NP40+/D40+ any time soon?
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

I know that Westchester TTC and XSF has a deal going of some sort where they use XSF balls in their tournaments. Does anyone know whether or not they are considering switching to the NP40+/D40+ any time soon?


I have brought up the topic to Will and if I make it to Westchester this month or I see a coach there at a tournament tomorrow, I will give them a box of balls to test.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

I know that Westchester TTC and XSF has a deal going of some sort where they use XSF balls in their tournaments. Does anyone know whether or not they are considering switching to the NP40+/D40+ any time soon?


I have brought up the topic to Will and if I make it to Westchester this month or I see a coach there at a tournament tomorrow, I will give them a box of balls to test.

thank you, that would be great if they make the switch to D40+.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Does anyone here use the new Nittaku Japan training balls?


In our club, people prefer the NP40+ for serious match play but use these other balls for everything else.  We have a lot of the XSF 3  star balls and people use them for practice, but no one ever asks for them for match play.  Right now I'm trying to get people into the D40+, but so far they're reluctant.

We use the J-Star balls for club play and practice, and we use the NP40+ balls for league and tournaments. The J-Star balls play similar to the NP40+ and they don't have any of the roundness issues that I've seen with the XSF balls. Durability is pretty good, similar to the NP40+, but occasionally you will find a J-Star ball with a soft spot that has been dented in. Overall, I think they are a good value, very playable ball.

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Kristian Karlsson: "I love it.  It is very consistent."
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what difference between D40 and V40?
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After playing with this rubbish ball a couple of times, I think it is not that bad for basement ping pong.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Kristian Karlsson: "I love it.  It is very consistent."

Can you give me a link of the source?
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Korea ooen with the D40+ waw the spin is back applause
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Originally posted by rickywinataa rickywinataa wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Kristian Karlsson: "I love it.  It is very consistent."


Can you give me a link of the source?


He made the comment in response to Bobrow during the Freitas-Lim match.
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

After playing with this rubbish ball a couple of times, I think it is not that bad for basement ping pong.


Sounds like you have an inability to change your strokes/touch and or equipment.  You will just have to give up on the loss of spin or change in game because of the new balls. 

But if you only play with the old balls.....no problem.   This may not be your case obviously if you are playing tournaments.  So you have only a few choices here....but the biggest one is to stop complaining and start figuring out how to get more spin......
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I did some drills on Saturday using the D40+, the XSF seamless, the NP40+ and the V40+. 7 balls in total. The V40+, and I used only one, stood out like a sore thumb, while my drill partner had no issues with thr other balls in the mix and neither did I. I might do more conparative testing later this week.
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Played yesterday with some friends in his basement. We bashed this one D40+ ball to the exposed brick foundation many many times  while playing for about 4 to 5 hours. There were gouges, scratches and the logo was half gone but the ball didnt crack. For a 56 cent ball that is a great value and the ball still stayed round. 

Also bought some DoubleFish V40+, there are pleny of eggs in a pack of 10...for my money i will buy the D40+ from now on unless something better comes out.
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Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Played yesterday with some friends in his basement. We bashed this one D40+ ball to the exposed brick foundation many many times  while playing for about 4 to 5 hours. There were gouges, scratches and the logo was half gone but the ball didnt crack. For a 56 cent ball that is a great value and the ball still stayed round. 

Also bought some DoubleFish V40+, there are pleny of eggs in a pack of 10...for my money i will buy the D40+ from now on unless something better comes out.
ya, the D40+ is hard to crack, but they have soft spots after few weeks play (not complaining). One order (72 balls) will last until 44+ balls come LOL.

BTW, did anyone play the D40+ in a humidified environment?


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