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The yield rate is really low for the 40+ right now. Even the 3-star are hit and miss. The same thing happened for the 40mm when it was introduced. It wasn't until 2003 before it got better.
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LOOKING FOR THE COACH'S OPINION ON PRACTICE BALLS.

I wonder to know what balls now used by the America's professional coaches for doing drills and practice for teaching the game children, amateurs, etc.
Where from do they purchase trainer balls for practice sessions ?

   Is there some working coach on this forum? I'd like to here his opinion about what they think to be the best training ball at present time and why?
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NO CONSENSUS AHIEVED SO FAR.

Just have learned some people's views on plastic training balls. 10 Revews given or more. There is no consensus on the best ball, people do prefer many different products.

Perhaps Xushaofa is considered most played training ball, as it appears from peoples many reviews.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?11052-Best-40-training-ball
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As I suspected, the Nittaku Jtop is top quality. Here's a breakdown from a coach.

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NEW OUTDOOR BALL OF ABS PLASTIC.

http://www.ittf.com/2016/08/23/ittf-marketing-director-steve-dainton-discusses-ttx-table-tennis-daily-podcast/

   A new plastic thing is now about to start out.. Newly designed ball of ABS plastic.

It is sayed to be a bigger diameter with a greater weight. Perhaps it befits indoor game as well. So exciting novelty, endeed.
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Is the TTX outdoor pingpong going to be a true attraction for non sporty people? Lets live and see...

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I ordered a box of the new Donic P40+ back in december, which is supposedly a rebranded DHS D40+. I haven't received them yet so I rang them up last week to find out where my order is. They said the EU distribution centre has not sent the balls yet and they say they will be sending it in the coming weeks. What is sure is that I will get them at the end of March at the latest. This is consistent with the fact that the first World Tour to use them will take place in April.
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Originally posted by CroNone CroNone wrote:

As I suspected, the Nittaku Jtop is top quality. Here's a breakdown from a coach.



I also think they are very good fwiw.
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Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I ordered a box of the new Donic P40+ back in december, which is supposedly a rebranded DHS D40+. I haven't received them yet so I rang them up last week to find out where my order is. They said the EU distribution centre has not sent the balls yet and they say they will be sending it in the coming weeks. What is sure is that I will get them at the end of March at the latest. This is consistent with the fact that the first World Tour to use them will take place in April.

CNT said that they have already test the new ball for a while and start using it in their internal competitions back in Jan. A few taobao shops have it in stock and shipping now. But demand may be high in this early stage so they might become hard to get like the case with Nittaku Premium. I have mine sitting with my taobao agent but too bad I have to wait for all other stuffs to arrive before asking them to ship it out.  




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I got my 1* version of the new D40+ ball from DHS today. Another fast delivery from TT11!!!   A few things I can report already, all good.

1.  If you hold it up to the light and look at the seam, and compare, it is identical to that of a Nittaku Premium.

2.  It has an identical bounce height to a Nittaku Premium.

3.  The color (how white it is) and the external surface texture are pretty much identical to Nittaku Premium.

I haven't played with it yet, but already I am very optimistic.  In fact, on the basis of the bounce height alone, I would say that they are better than the previous seamed Chinese 40+ balls.

Add to that what LGL said about them being the roundest balls yet, and maybe the ball situation is about to get better, at least once everybody starts putting their own label on this ball.

If it's like it was with Nittaku, it may take DHS awhile to get the production fully ramped up, and hopefully they continue to maintain high QC (in general not a DHS strong point). The *** versions are likely to be scarce for awhile.

But things may be looking up.

(One last thing, these DHS were not as round as a Nittaku Premium but then again these are 1* balls presumably for a reason, so I am not at all concerned by that).
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Played with them tonight. Weird sound. Weird in other ways too. I think the best I can say is thatI will wait for *** before deciding anything about the D40+.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Played with them tonight. Weird sound. Weird in other ways too. I think the best I can say is thatI will wait for *** before deciding anything about the D40+.

Yes, but those things can be adjusted to if the ball plays well.  The ball was pretty easy to rally with.  And I didn't get the impression that it was easy to break.


Edited by NextLevel - 02/15/2017 at 8:16am
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Played with the 3-star D40+ last night. Not bright white like the DFish 40+, but yellowish white like old celluloid. Sounds a bit different from 40+, didn't bother me. Feels as hard as 40+. Didn't test the bounce next to 40+, but it felt better during play.

Price is cheaper than current 40+. Roughly HK$28-30 for 6(less than US$4), or HK$5 each. HK$4 each, if bought in bulk, for 100. That price range is what celluloid used to sell for in Hong Kong several years back. They sell even cheaper in China due to the exchange rate.

Edited by zeio - 02/28/2017 at 4:32am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
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THanks zeio, sounds promising!
Where are they available?
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AFAIK, it's available in HK and mainland China right now.
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2017 Official MSRP for 40+ and D40+, straight from DHS.

53% drop for 40+, 43% drop for D40+

物料描述(Material Descriptions)     单位(Unit)     原零售指导价(元)(Original MSRP(Yuan))     现零售指导价(元)(Current MSRP(Yuan))
CF40A----红双喜赛福白色三星40mm+乒乓球(六只装)(White *** 40+, 6 pk)      只 (1 ball)     8.5     4
CF40AY--红双喜赛福黄色三星40mm+乒乓球(六只装)(Yellow *** 40+, 6pk)     只     8.5     4
CF40B----红双喜赛福白色二星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(White ** 40+, 10pk)     只     6     2.4
CF40BY--红双喜赛福黄色二星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(Yellow ** 40+, 10pk)     只     6     2.4
CF40C----红双喜赛福白色一星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(White * 40+, 10pk)     只     4     2
CF40CY--红双喜赛福黄色一星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(Yellow * 40+, 10pk)     只     4     2
               
CD40A----红双喜赛顶白色三星40mm+乒乓球(六只装)(White *** D40+, 6pk)     只     5.6     3.2
CD40AY--红双喜赛顶黄色三星40mm+乒乓球(六只装)(Yellow *** D40+, 6pk)     只     5.6     3.2
CD40B----红双喜赛顶白色二星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(White ** D40+, 10pk)     只     3.8     2.4
CD40BY--红双喜赛顶黄色二星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(Yellow ** D40+, 10pk)     只     3.8     2.4
CD40C----红双喜赛顶白色一星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(White * D40+, 10pk)     只     2.8     1.6
CD40CY--红双喜赛顶黄色一星40mm+乒乓球(十只装)(Yellow * D40+, 10pk)     只     2.8     1.6


Edited by zeio - 02/28/2017 at 4:58am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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so the difference between 40+ and D40+ is that the D40+ is the newer, improved version, correct? and they will still produce the 40+?
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Ordered from ttnpp.com.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Ordered from ttnpp.com.

wow... that's a fantastic price for the box of 72. will you be doing a thorough review of the new d40+? i'm currently using xsf/yinhe balls and they are pretty good, but we're talking 55 cents per ball!
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The TTNPP price is ridiculous BW.  $40 for 72.  Shouldn't buy that many for  test but WTH...
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I ordered a box ot 12 D40+ from a site in China that someone told me was quite trusted.  Should get them in a week or two.
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I'll also be most interested to hear how people like them.

They call these balls cellfree-dual, I wonder what the dual refers to. Two halves, as in seamed, perhaps?
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I just played with DHS D40+ ball last week, and it was really good. Feels kinda like the nittaku ball to be honest. Much better than the DHS 40+. D40+ ball felt heavy and solid, unlike the 40+.
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Originally posted by MLfan MLfan wrote:

I just played with DHS D40+ ball last week, and it was really good. Feels kinda like the nittaku ball to be honest. Much better than the DHS 40+. D40+ ball felt heavy and solid, unlike the 40+.

THank you!

How was the spin? The DHS40+ is one of the spinniest among the plastic balls, so I hope the D40+ is still spinny.
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Originally posted by MLfan MLfan wrote:

Feels kinda like the nittaku ball to be honest. Much better than the DHS 40+.


Good news.  This would improve things a lot.
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The durability is the thing.  Feel is important but durability is the thing.  The reduction in price is an A++.
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I just checked TTNPP and it's $40 for 72 balls is great.  That's about what we used to pay for the celluloid balls. Of course, that only works if the balls are decent.  Hopefully, more reviews will be posted here.

I was disappointed that they only sold in boxes of 72 balls.  I'm not going to buy that many balls on a test given how poor the original DHS plastic balls were.

By the way, our club just bought a bunch of Nittaku J-Top training balls.  They were on sale at Paddle Palace.  PP has been using them in their new club and the guys we have that go visit up there swear by them.  So now our club will have a mix of Nittaku J-Top and XSF 3 star.  Will DHS D40+ be next?
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From the DHS Press Release, Celluloid will longer be mass-produced. The D40+ will slowly take over the 40+ as the standard in major tournaments.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

I was disappointed that they only sold in boxes of 72 balls.  I'm not going to buy that many balls on a test given how poor the original DHS plastic balls were.
This is not true.  I decided to buy them as a box of 72 balls.  Here is the smaller offering.

http://ttnpp.com/store/3-stars/868-dhs-new-material-cell-free-dual-40-3-stars-ball-39.html
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

I was disappointed that they only sold in boxes of 72 balls.  I'm not going to buy that many balls on a test given how poor the original DHS plastic balls were.
This is not true.  I decided to buy them as a box of 72 balls.  Here is the smaller offering.

http://ttnpp.com/store/3-stars/868-dhs-new-material-cell-free-dual-40-3-stars-ball-39.html
I had missed those because the box of 72 balls was under "New Material Balls", which is where I expected them.  The box of three balls is under "3 star balls", which is not where I expected them.

There's quite a different in price: 72 balls for $40 (($0.56/ball) versus 3 balls for $3.5 ($1.17/ball).

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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

I was disappointed that they only sold in boxes of 72 balls.  I'm not going to buy that many balls on a test given how poor the original DHS plastic balls were.

This is not true.  I decided to buy them as a box of 72 balls.  Here is the smaller offering.

http://ttnpp.com/store/3-stars/868-dhs-new-material-cell-free-dual-40-3-stars-ball-39.html

I had missed those because the box of 72 balls was under "New Material Balls", which is where I expected them.  The box of three balls is under "3 star balls", which is not where I expected them.

There's quite a different in price: 72 balls for $40 (($0.56/ball) versus 3 balls for $3.5 ($1.17/ball).



The site says 6 for 3.50. I might be willing to eat shipping costs and just give it a try. Should still cost under 10 total!
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