Xu Xin lifting backspin ???

No idea what he was saying, but the "who's your daddy?" stare at 1:04 was kinda funny.

ttTurkey wrote: No idea what he was saying, but the "who's your daddy?" stare at 1:04 was kinda funny.

First of all, I did not hear what he was saying. However, I believe I know what he told XX because my coach told me the same idea. It is a "new" method on lifting the backspin. You lift the ball @ the spin's "weaker position". For instance, a weaker position of an underspin is on the side.  Unlike the old way (counter the heavy spin by increasing your brush), you try to lift (brush-hit) the ball on the side where the spin is weak and the hitting surface is large.

Edited by Egghead - 05/20/2016 at 1:59am

ttTurkey wrote: No idea what he was saying, but the "who's your daddy?" stare at 1:04 was kinda funny.

That guy in the yellow t-shirt - he has flaws in his looping technique against underspin. Coach has to explain him such a basic move. He made quite a few mistakes initially.

I say he's USATT 1600.1300 in the Bay Area. Shall get killed against choppers in tournaments.

To be fair I think XX lacks the absolute chopper crushing abilities of previous generation penholders like Ma Lin and Wang Hao. XX just plays like a shakehander in that regard.

Side note: In this day and age I can no longer shorten Ma Lin to just ML haha

Why didn't LGL tell XX about this technique 5 years ago ? 

OR did LGL just noticed XX is a penholder

I guess, LGL is explaining very important tip about shoulder to lift the ball. 

winterdrops wrote: Hi guys, Could anybody translate what Lui Guilang says to Xu Xin about lifting backspin balls? I am really shocked about how a pro player who has been world number 1 for a few times is getting instructions about a basic stroke? Lui Guilang must be saying very important things most of us don't pay attention. Best regards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=helMPXG0BYs

Good link. Thanks for posting.
I especially like how LGL keeps his eye on the student and not try to return the ball.

I thought it looked like a fast loop kill technique off shorter balls usually associated with loop kills (LGL looked like he was deliberately pushing ahort)

From what few phrases i caught, lgl is instructing xx on a type of stroke for balls close to the table that xx would normally slow brush loop.

The stroke is like a mix of a loop and a flick. You start your stroke like you would a brush loop, but a little more upright. Then on contact with the ball you use a small fh flick motion.

This stroke will definetly catch many opponents offf if xx is able to master it, as the placement is rather unpredictable by the reciever.

(Lgl also tells xx to stop being a sissy and dont be afraid to play agressive at the table)

Edited by GTeaLatte - 05/20/2016 at 9:15am

That individualistic thinking is what holds back the other teams.

Regarding Ma Lin's absolute chopper crushing ability - must have been temporarily out of order in
the 2003 world championship, when he encountered Joo See Hyuk (remember how  Ma Lin let his racket fly after the match?).

Regarding the very interesting  Liu Guoliang/ Xu Xin video (thanks!),  I do not understand Chinese, but here is what I see:

In the first part, the training session seems to focus on slightly longer returns, and one point
that  Liu Guolinag emphasizes is the difference between a) stronger body turn and corresponding inward arm swing (as in  the fast,  parallel return  to Xu Xin's backhand at 1:04),  
and b) the technique where the arm is `stopped outside' more, leading to  a different direction (to  Xu Xin's forehand in this case,  as left-hander).

In the second part,  it seems to be more about flicking of shorter returns, but again with surprising
direction changes, and certainly some explanation about how to accelerate  the short balls
also with relativeley closed racket, not `lifting' too much.

Interesting also: For obvious reasons of politeness and functionality, Xu Xin plays his  returns relatively `harmless' , not,  for example,  pushing  aggressively,   so   Liu Guoliang  can demonstrate properly - that I like  in particular.


 

Guys, it's really simple. Looping half-long backspins over the table is not the same as dealing with choppers...Xu Xin, despite his incredible looping ability, lacks the ability to kill low, half-long backspins. Ma Lin's half-long backspin loop-kills, if you remember, were the best, because he could use his wrist and shoulder so well when the incoming balls were too short for full body energy transfer. LGL is trying to teach Xu Xin the technique. When Xu Xin encounters these balls, he often waits longer for the ball to drop and loops a slow ball. LGL wants him to be able to loop it like Ma Lin with the deceptive movements to earn the point right away. 

berndt_mann wrote: LGL to XX: Don't be such a sissy; Your loop's way too prissy. Stay close to the table; That is, if you're able. Now do what I tell you Or else I'll expel you. If you won't agree with me There's always the Beijing KFC.