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    Posted: 01/05/2018 at 2:04am
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Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

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Can't understand you... "It won't be a hitting stroke", but "chinese style loop is preferred". But chinese style means more hitting 'through' the ball than brushing 'around' it. Where is the truth? Should I hit more through or more around the ball?

And about the throw angle. Could you compare Fx-s to 05, 80, 64, Rozena or MX-P?


I still believe that the best Tibhar rubber for chinese style loop "more hitting through the ball than brushing" is the underrated QUANTUM S. 


Is Quantum S a Tibhar's analog for Acuda Blue P2?

Many say so but I haven't play Acuda Blue P2 long enough.
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Thanks for clearing the mess 😀 I don't belong to that kind of users who smash a lot of balls with their BH. It's a flaw in my skills, but I'm not good at BH flat game and try to spin all of my BH shots with more or less thick contact.
If FX-S has got a wide dynamic range, i.e. creates a spinny shot with a half-hearted stroke and at the same time can stand a very fast arm swing over the top of the ball - then it looks like my cup of tea. I didn't like P-series on BH because on my blades (Acoustic, Tenor) there was too much speed or too low spin, resulting in flat-ish trajectories and balls often going long even after the most brushing motion. -S can fix this, I suppose.

I wouldn't say it stands a very fast arm stroke over the top of the ball, but I would say that it can create pretty fast and spinny balls if your focus is on spin.  It is not a hard rubber, so it has limitations.  Put everything in context.  But if you like to loop, -S series is good.  They don't have power, but they have spin.
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no el-s has seemed the best on my balsa, however my game is quite different now with lp on bh
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next level how long have you been back on mx-s?
im experimenting with el-s (because I have a sheet) to get the best out of my balsa blade which I now use for lp hitting on bh, getting good results. nearly stopped ejing just sorting out the fh rubber now

A month now. I don't think MX-S will suit you based on what I Saw of your game.  Greater miracles have happened though - it's just TT rubber.
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Thanks for clearing the mess 😀 I don't belong to that kind of users who smash a lot of balls with their BH. It's a flaw in my skills, but I'm not good at BH flat game and try to spin all of my BH shots with more or less thick contact.
If FX-S has got a wide dynamic range, i.e. creates a spinny shot with a half-hearted stroke and at the same time can stand a very fast arm swing over the top of the ball - then it looks like my cup of tea. I didn't like P-series on BH because on my blades (Acoustic, Tenor) there was too much speed or too low spin, resulting in flat-ish trajectories and balls often going long even after the most brushing motion. -S can fix this, I suppose.
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next level how long have you been back on mx-s?
im experimenting with el-s (because I have a sheet) to get the best out of my balsa blade which I now use for lp hitting on bh, getting good results. nearly stopped ejing just sorting out the fh rubber now
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Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Loop drive, not brush. In fact, they loop drive MOST of the balls. But they do not brush, if we consider brushing as thin contact, mostly with the topsheet. Otherwize we must consider ANY loop as brushing, "anything that is not a flat slap is brushing", and this obviously mixes terms up.
Chinese loop which goes through the ball with power, but the hard sponge allows to spin the ball at the same time is anything but not brushing. This loop gives a specific loud cracking sound from the sponge and blade, while a brush-loop with Chinese rubber usually gives no sound at all.


Words are words, people say thin brush and thick brush all the time, my point is that you cannot hit relatively flat with Chinese rubbers and get good results but you can do so with Euro rubbers. Sometimes thick brush is more about sponge hardness than it is about the topsheet, but in general, the -S series is for people who like to spin on all their shots, not for people who like to sometimes smash drive which is very common amingst Euro rubber users.
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Loop drive, not brush. In fact, they loop drive MOST of the balls. But they do not brush, if we consider brushing as thin contact, mostly with the topsheet. Otherwize we must consider ANY loop as brushing, "anything that is not a flat slap is brushing", and this obviously mixes terms up.
Chinese loop which goes through the ball with power, but the hard sponge allows to spin the ball at the same time is anything but not brushing. This loop gives a specific loud cracking sound from the sponge and blade, while a brush-loop with Chinese rubber usually gives no sound at all.
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Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

The best way to use a Chinese rubber is to hit through the ball whenever possible. Wang Liqin or Ma Long brush-loop only when the ball is low and and there is some heavy or unclear spin on it. Otherwize they hammer it with help of their rather flexible blades. Chinese rubbers help them to impart spin even with such a 'thick' contact, which would bottom-out a euro rubber to turn their spinny hit into a flat one.

I got the point that FX-S is not designed for this style but for brushing and you have to spin the ball as much as possible. Thanks a lot 😀

Thick contact is not the same as hitting through the ball.  Brush looping means taking a spin based approach to all balls.  With Euro rubbers you can take a hitting approach to more balls and still  get a good response.  With Chinese tacky rubbers, if your approach is not spin based, the rubber will not respond.  That is why many Chinese players don't smash with their tacky rubbers, it is because they can't hit the ball with the speed of an Euro rubber.  They loop drive even the high balls with tacky rubber.


Edited by NextLevel - 01/04/2018 at 4:26pm
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Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Can't understand you... "It won't be a hitting stroke", but "chinese style loop is preferred". But chinese style means more hitting 'through' the ball than brushing 'around' it. Where is the truth? Should I hit more through or more around the ball?

And about the throw angle. Could you compare Fx-s to 05, 80, 64, Rozena or MX-P?


I still believe that the best Tibhar rubber for chinese style loop "more hitting through the ball than brushing" is the underrated QUANTUM S. 


Is Quantum S a Tibhar's analog for Acuda Blue P2?
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The best way to use a Chinese rubber is to hit through the ball whenever possible. Wang Liqin or Ma Long brush-loop only when the ball is low and and there is some heavy or unclear spin on it. Otherwize they hammer it with help of their rather flexible blades. Chinese rubbers help them to impart spin even with such a 'thick' contact, which would bottom-out a euro rubber to turn their spinny hit into a flat one.

I got the point that FX-S is not designed for this style but for brushing and you have to spin the ball as much as possible. Thanks a lot 😀

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Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Can't understand you... "It won't be a hitting stroke", but "chinese style loop is preferred". But chinese style means more hitting 'through' the ball than brushing 'around' it. Where is the truth? Should I hit more through or more around the ball?

And about the throw angle. Could you compare Fx-s to 05, 80, 64, Rozena or MX-P?

Chinese style is brushing.  FX-S for me is similar to T05FX.  


Edited by NextLevel - 01/04/2018 at 9:14am
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Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Can't understand you... "It won't be a hitting stroke", but "chinese style loop is preferred". But chinese style means more hitting 'through' the ball than brushing 'around' it. Where is the truth? Should I hit more through or more around the ball?

And about the throw angle. Could you compare Fx-s to 05, 80, 64, Rozena or MX-P?

I still believe that the best Tibhar rubber for chinese style loop "more hitting through the ball than brushing" is the underrated QUANTUM S. 
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Can't understand you... "It won't be a hitting stroke", but "chinese style loop is preferred". But chinese style means more hitting 'through' the ball than brushing 'around' it. Where is the truth? Should I hit more through or more around the ball?

And about the throw angle. Could you compare Fx-s to 05, 80, 64, Rozena or MX-P?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Can EL-S or FX-S be a substitute for Rozena on Bh?

Rozena delivers a spinny loop within a wide range of power applied. You may do it with a rather lazy stroke, or you may whip it with full-power a-la Kreanga, and both loops have good spin and trajectory. Do these Evo's allow such a variety of loops?


Depends on what you mean by loop drive. I think FX-S is highly underrated but the whole series is for people who mostly brush loop. Loop driving with these rubbers is mostly a variation of your looping technique and may require you to adjust your approach which is why many people used to driving with a different technique from their loop usually don't get them or like the extra effort.


So, with these rubbers you must brush the ball and cannot attack with more pressure on the ball, like Kreanga or Steger do their BH loopkills?


You can , but it won't be a hitting stroke and it takes more effort than some would like and you might not get the arc of say Tenergy. It's an individual preference thing some people who like Chinese style loops will like the rubbers but others who don't may or may not. That said if your focus is on speed, FX-S is your best bet.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Can EL-S or FX-S be a substitute for Rozena on Bh?

Rozena delivers a spinny loop within a wide range of power applied. You may do it with a rather lazy stroke, or you may whip it with full-power a-la Kreanga, and both loops have good spin and trajectory. Do these Evo's allow such a variety of loops?


Depends on what you mean by loop drive. I think FX-S is highly underrated but the whole series is for people who mostly brush loop. Loop driving with these rubbers is mostly a variation of your looping technique and may require you to adjust your approach which is why many people used to driving with a different technique from their loop usually don't get them or like the extra effort.


So, with these rubbers you must brush the ball and cannot attack with more pressure on the ball, like Kreanga or Steger do their BH loopkills?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

There are people who can't stand Tenergy 05 and it is the best rubber in the world and also crumbles around the edges. At the amateur levels, rubbers are a bit of a personal taste. I played a 2200 player who used Mark V on his forehand and when I asked him why he said it was a rubber which did what he wanted it to do. And his forehand loop was his best stroke.


what blade he using? what on BH? pips?
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Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

Can EL-S or FX-S be a substitute for Rozena on Bh?

Rozena delivers a spinny loop within a wide range of power applied. You may do it with a rather lazy stroke, or you may whip it with full-power a-la Kreanga, and both loops have good spin and trajectory. Do these Evo's allow such a variety of loops?


Depends on what you mean by loop drive. I think FX-S is highly underrated but the whole series is for people who mostly brush loop. Loop driving with these rubbers is mostly a variation of your looping technique and may require you to adjust your approach which is why many people used to driving with a different technique from their loop usually don't get them or like the extra effort.
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Can EL-S or FX-S be a substitute for Rozena on Bh?

Rozena delivers a spinny loop within a wide range of power applied. You may do it with a rather lazy stroke, or you may whip it with full-power a-la Kreanga, and both loops have good spin and trajectory. Do these Evo's allow such a variety of loops?
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There are people who can't stand Tenergy 05 and it is the best rubber in the world and also crumbles around the edges. At the amateur levels, rubbers are a bit of a personal taste. I played a 2200 player who used Mark V on his forehand and when I asked him why he said it was a rubber which did what he wanted it to do. And his forehand loop was his best stroke.
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Originally posted by Lightzy Lightzy wrote:

I dislike this whole series of rubbers. I think theyre low quality compared to the newer esn technology.
Which is to say they function well enough, but they weigh like 20-30 grams more per sheet which is too ungainly. If they were some super exceptional rubbers then fine, but they're not.
A sheet that wighs upwards of 75 grams is a bit too much for me.

Also the make is so-so. They all crumble and fray at the edges.

Are you sure you're talking about the same rubbers? Mine are in awesome condition, but I do have Joola 12mm foam edge tape.

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I dislike this whole series of rubbers. I think theyre low quality compared to the newer esn technology.
Which is to say they function well enough, but they weigh like 20-30 grams more per sheet which is too ungainly. If they were some super exceptional rubbers then fine, but they're not.
A sheet that wighs upwards of 75 grams is a bit too much for me.

Also the make is so-so. They all crumble and fray at the edges.

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So after converting to lp on a TSP balsa been having massive problems. Hurricane too slow, Tenergy way too bouncy and unlinear.

So just as a bit of a shot in the dark I stuck an old sheet of EL-S on it.
Spin is pretty good
Tight game is decent
Hitting is excellent
Looping is good

On the TSP balsa it seems to fall somewhere between Tenergy and Hurricane with some of the advantages of both.
At least I can drive the crap out of the ball when it sits up.
However it is still reasonable in the short game so far.
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"my el-s now has 50 hours use and i honestly haven't noticed a drop in spin, even though the centre of the rubber looks a bit worn and the edges are really crumbled. "

I usually do not bother putting an edge protector on my rackets. And so, when I glued my first ELS sheet, the borders crumbled somewhat quickly, similar to T05. My second time around I put an edge protector, and the crumbling around the edges has been very limited.

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I am fond of JP03, especially on BH.  The guy I practice with most uses ELS on both sides, so I've tried it quite a few times.   

I found ELS more spinny (and spin-sensitive) than JP03.  JP03 also has a slightly higher throw and is more forgiving for hitting.  JP03 is also softer.  I find them quite a bit different.  For people who swing wildly and rely on luck more than skill, such as myself, I think JP03 is the better rubber.  For those who like to spin the ball, know how to receive spiny serves, and are silly enough to try to incorporate skill into their game, I'd say try ELS.  
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Hey guys, how would you compare FX-S against JP-03?   any other upgrade available of JP-03?

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Never tried fx-s but el-s and jp01 are the same rubber or, at least, veeeeery similar, if this helps you to figure out...
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just a quick post about durability of el-s

my el-s now has 50 hours use and i honestly haven't noticed a drop in spin, even though the centre of the rubber looks a bit worn and the edges are really crumbled. i think i'll be able to get at least another 2 months out of it  (assuming the crumbling edges hold up), which would be over 4 months in total, about 100 hours - very pleased and have just ordered two more from tibi (shameless plug for tibi ;)

it's still a bit heavy because i use it on both sides (even though only in 1.9/2mm) but i'm getting used to the weight.

(using it on 92g osp virtuoso-. i have read in a lot of places that el-s seems to be very suited to composite or stiffer blades, but i have great control in short game and blocks on an all wood blade and enormous spin on loops, so ymmv)
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Hey guys, how would you compare FX-S against JP-03?   any other upgrade available of JP-03?

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yesterday I played for 3 hours with my old maze + FX S and maxxx p .
FX-S on forehand - I just didn't understand how it works and quickly changed to BH (on drives balls were going to net, maybe I get used to high through nexy zealot with omega v tour)
FX-S on BH that's what I liked. So easy to lift backspin with correct technique. It has very nice sound on medium strokes.
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