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wanchope
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Great to hear about this. I bought els for my fh and fxs for bh. I haven't got the chance to glue them on yet. My old rubbers are still working.
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mog1111
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EL-S went well on my fh tonight.
It is much more stable and predictable than 05fx. It is harder work though. I also think the notch downgrade in speed from Stratus Powerwood to Stiga Allround Evolution helped. Edited by mog1111 - 05/17/2017 at 6:32am |
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koshkin
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I switched to EL-S on the backhand. Durability seems respectable so far. SImialr to MX-S that I've had on the FH for a while and similar to various Tenergies.
I do not practice as much as I used to, so rubbers last for a few months now.
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Rich215
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The sheets of FX-S I had were not near the weights of the other Evolutions....they were 4-5 grams less in weight. |
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mog1111
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Is anyone still using EL-S, who has made the switch to EL-S permanent?
What is the durability like please? |
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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
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mog1111
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Don't tempt me. I have already been offered a trial sheet. Trying hard to resist! |
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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
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NextLevel
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When you see the light and switch to Karis, let me know. Until then...
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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mog1111
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So wow! EUREKA!!
After all my hopping around and Ejing, guess what I actually like Evolution EL-s as a fh rubber on TSPW. When I first tried it coming from 05fx I was not that sure and thought the throw was low and it lacked the get out of jail catapult. But I have been messing about trying hurricane 3 neo and 2 neo and recently Sanwei National Target. So after playing pretty well this week with H3N on fh I decided it is still too slow and safe for my game and I miss that direct fast put away shot when the ball is right. So I whack the evolution EL-S back on the Stratus Powerwood and because I am coming from H3N it does not lack catapult. It does not lack spin. It has plenty of zip on the put away shot. I don't miss the high throw from 05fx because I did not have it with H3N or STN (Sanwei Target National) Now I always like new stuff and freshly glued rubbers always seem good but I really think I am going to try and stick to it on my fh on the TSPW. Really its an epiphany!! Moral of the story; sometimes don't just try stuff for one session and disregard it, sometimes go back and try it again even a month later. All hail 'Andy Smith' and his sagely advise!! |
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slevin
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The EL-S works very well as BH rubber on both the MJ-SZLC and the Timothy Boll ZLF.
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player87
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There is not much difference in weight between FXS and ELS. They are both heavy rubbers like all evolution series.
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Rich215
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Thanks for your info....as I was going to get some baracuda but opted to try the FXS instead. I have not glued the FXs rubbers up yet....but because of the softer sponge they were at an acceptable weight per uncut sheet...like 65 to 67g both in 1.9/2.0mm. So I am wondering what I should expect from getting some sheets of the ELS as far as its weight compared to the FXS? Is the ELS heavier like the other newer ESN variants....like 70+gr. per sheet? |
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player87
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Absolutely disagree. I am currently testing both els and fxs rubber. Seems they are going to be my main setup. Not sure about Xiom OFF s blade. but both on my Maze and Zealot EL-S is very spiny. My partner has noticed it after I changed from Baracuda to El-S. I tried EL-S both on FH and BH and managed to get quite good amount of spin. Throw is not low as you described. I would describe it as Medium. I might guess you don't get enough spin from EL-S due to XIOM off s. it is classic 5 ply wood which not hard or eaither stiff to get EL-S working. I tested it on classic limba outer 5 ply wood blade Donic Waldner offensive 2016. It feels a bit dead not as spinny as on my current blades. Baracuda is even more spiny on Waldner than ELS. I will write about ELS and FXS more in detail a bit later since I have break in testing due to injury last month. |
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NextLevel
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It would be interesting to see video of your strokes. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Hans Regenkurt
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Here is my take on the ELS, I tried it on a XIOM OFF S, red 2.1.
First of all, It is definitely not a T05 replacement at all. Nobody should even compare it to Tenergy in any context. What it is, is an extremely improved and very well usable MXS. They corrected every flaw (low speed, white of the net balls) of MXS with the creation of ELS. It grabs the ball very well but it is very low throw. You can get very good speed out of it on powerloops but the spin is nowhere as near as MXP let alone an Omega IV Europe. The ELS is one of the best rubbers for those who do not care so much about spin and base their game on speed and outpowering the opponent. It must be very good with the plastic ball as the ball's flight path is very consistent and it is the more you give the more you get out of kind of rubber. |
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mog1111
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I'm off EL-S and FX-S.
Back on 05fx - just cant cope without that high throw - must be something in my technique. |
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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
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seguso
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I think el-s is what you need. (softer topsheet, similar sponge and grip) fx-s will feel mushy (since you say omega V europe was mushy) however, el-s might not be grippier than vega japan, in all situations. on backhand openings, probably so. on forehand openings, probably not.
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Rich215
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Interesting.....glad you tried these various rubbers. I like the Vega Japan...just need a more tacky/grippier or softer topsheet for better service and brush looping. I tried Omega V Europe....but felt it bottom out and seemed too mushy to me in 2.0mm. Plus it is very heavy and that is one thing I like about the Vega Japan, its not too heavy like so many newer ESN's. Now I wonder if the FX-S will be too soft? Maybe I should then also try the EL-S. The sigma rubbers are out then for me if they have harder or thicker topsheets than Vega Japan. Edited by Rich215 - 01/02/2017 at 2:16pm |
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seguso
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Careful... Vega Japan is even harder than el-s (same sponge, 45 deg, but harder topsheet, and it feels). and Sigma 2 Europe is as hard as vega japan, maybe even harder (again due to the extremely hard topsheet). Actually I tried sigma 1 europe (which is almost identical to sigma 2 europe) with el-s on the other side. Sigma europe is very similar in grip and throw. Sigma has a bit lower throw but not much, very little. The topsheet of sigma is much harder. And sigma is even slower, with even less catapult. Same (extreme) amount of superficial grip.
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Rich215
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thanks for the info seguso! On my faster blade, I am going to try some FX-S 1.9 on both sides. I just hope it wont be too soft. Using Vega Japan 2.0 now.
I have never tried the Sigma 2 Europe and have always wanted to because of the lower through. Sounds like the EL-S might be a better rubber than S2E for spin? |
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seguso
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Update on EL-s: on backhand it has some very interesting properties: the ball stays low, so it allows you to be very aggressive with backhand, against a blocking opponent. For comparison, with elp or fxp, or rasant turbo, the ball tends to go more upwards, so that you have problems using all the power.
So, actually it seems a very good rubber for backhand. The lack of catapult is not a big problem on backhand. The ball seems to have enough power to finish against a blocker, as I said. (You need a fast blade though --- This is on clipper CR and clipper CC.) The flip seems to be good also. I will test it more there. Also, the rubber grip makes it good for openings, but we knew that. On forehand, el-s can be used, if you adjust the technique for the lower throw, and such a throw could make sense with the plastic ball, where trying to produce excessive arcs is counterproductive. But I still believe it does not have enough power/catapult. A rasant turbo seems to have much more sense there. (rasant turbo has a bit higher throw, medium, and is harder than el-s). Edited by seguso - 12/30/2016 at 6:39am |
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seguso
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I found ELP durable. (say two months easily, playing 4 times a week). Especially the topsheet, does not lose grip easily. When you change it, it won't be for the topsheet, but because the rubber will seem slower and more "numb". but never unplayable. Also, can be revived considerably with booster.
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nv42
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Even though iv loved how el-p played on my FH on a friend's setup, does its topsheet wear out really quick ? common complaint I heard from some ppl, and thought it made sense since it's pimple geom ain't the same as mx-p. Also heard that it's topsheet goes kinda 'dead' pretty quick, as in hard and unresponsive.
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seguso
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elp is the obvious choice, and I have been using it for almost 1 year, so you can't have suprises.
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mog1111
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FX-s is much lower throw than 05fx
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Thanks! I got some FX-Ps on special offer from a French Shop (celebrating Lebesson's win in the Euro, and apparently Lebesson's setup).
It was a one shot buy, but I actually am very surprised and very satisfied with both on BH and FH, at my level. FX-P specially on backhand has been quite a jump, in all positive aspects, compared to my previous setup, which was probably too 'hard' for my current technique (OVA/FH+Latika+OVT/BH). On BH I really don't feel a need for change. And I don't feel any thing lacking on FH, but maybe EL-P can bring a something else, then it is something to try! |
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of course. el-p differs from fx-p only in hardness. (same throw and catapult.) why elp on forehand and fxp on backhand? It all comes down to hardness: softer rubbers are faster at low power, slower at high power. on backhand, often I loop only with the wrist, and can't generate much power that way. Fxp is faster in this shot. (and also it shoots more forward, not upwards.) This is what I need for backhand. If i flip the blade and try to do backhand with el-p, the ball shoots slower and upwards. Not what I want. On the other hand I can't use fxp on forehand, because with the power I employ on my forehand shots (where I always use a bit of arm, never just the wrist), the fxp would be slower. (and would give me less spin also). |
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cmba_x
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Seguso, I am currently using FX-P on the forehand. May I ask what are your reasons for the EL-P on the FH, comparatively? Thanks!
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