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rickywinataa 
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 Posted: 07/28/2016 at 6:26am |
I take it the rubber still doesnt give the feeling of the wood as much as tenergy? |
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nv42
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Posted: 07/28/2016 at 5:28am |
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Was worried about that very fact. For me, non of the ~45 deg tensors come close to t05 spin in the higher gears. Looking forward to further thoughts from you NL. :)
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NextLevel
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Posted: 07/28/2016 at 12:11am |
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Another rubber proves the value of the spring sponge. I can see amateurs using this. Pros not so much. This is my first opinion tho.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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jackass22
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Posted: 07/27/2016 at 4:01pm |
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Could you compare el-s, fx-s and fx-p.
Throw, speed. Thanks |
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Fedex78
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Posted: 07/27/2016 at 1:10am |
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I have to glue two el-s 2.0 to my blade...I'll let you know how it performs
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DreiZ
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Posted: 07/27/2016 at 12:12am |
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All these reviews making me want to return my newly bought MXP sheets
 and get EL-S.
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NextLevel
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Posted: 07/27/2016 at 12:07am |
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My sheets are at the post office. Will pick up and test tomorrow evening.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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slevin
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Posted: 07/26/2016 at 11:50pm |
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I spent 3 hours with EL-S (max, red) today at the club (so, not enough info yet for a detailed opinion).
Setup 1: Hurricane Long V (90g) / H3 Neo 39 (unboosted) / EL-S (max) Setup 2: MJ-SZLC / H3 Neo 39 (boosted) / Omega V Europe (max) Basically, the EL-S is the most T05-like rubber out there by a long mile. A bit softer than T05 and all the ensuing properties of the softness follow (a bit easier to spin than T05, max spin potential reaches at a bit lesser arm speed, etc). Medium-high throw (higher than MX-P). Excellent synergy between topsheet and sponge (much better than that in XVE or Rasant Grip). By T05-like, I mean that a T05 user would feel at home right away with this one. I never thought MX-P was like T05 at all (MX-P, to me, is closer to a highly boosted H3 Neo). Cut to a Hurricane Long V (which is a larger blade than the standard Butterfly ones), the EL-S max was 50g including glue (so, not too heavy at all). It is spinnier than the other 45 degree ESN tensors out there once one uses the sponge (XVE is a shade spinnier if you brush only). Perhaps, the sponge is 0.5 - 1 degree harder than that of the Omega V Europe. Still, I was hoping that it would be a shade harder than it currently is. My mini-beef with ESN 45 deg rubbers (I saw this in Rakza 9 and XVE - both of which I love when new) is that they become softer after 2 weeks and start bottoming out sooner. For those who don't know yet, the EL-S has been getting fantastic reviews on the German TT forums. Quite a few players who did not think that MX-P was a T05 quality rubber are now thinking of leaving T05 for the EL-S. Definitely worth trying! |
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DreiZ
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Posted: 07/26/2016 at 11:02pm |
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http://www.tt-spin.de/tibhar-evolution-belagtest/
Overall comparison of all Evolution rubbers by this reviewer. Great infographs! I find it interesting that EL-S has the highest throw of the 3 (MX-P, MX-S, EL-S) and the most comparable to a T05 replacement. Im also wondering hows the weight of 1.9-2.0 EL-S compared to 1.9-2.0 MX-P if anyone has that information?
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mog1111
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Posted: 07/20/2016 at 7:30am |
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http://www.tt-spin.de/tibhar-evolution-fx-s/
interesting review here in german and of el-s |
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AndySmith
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Posted: 07/20/2016 at 5:32am |
It's obviously too early to say, but I can at least say that EL-S and FX-S are a different generation to FX-S and have a different topsheet, no obvious booster smell (booster could be odorless of course). So we can hope that durability has improved - I certainly find that recent ESN rubbers last longer than the older ones like Bluefire M.
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mog1111
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Posted: 07/20/2016 at 5:08am |
I would be interested to know who it lasts?? Personally I think that FX-P is wonderful when you get it and degenerates very quickly within a couple of weeks, I think it is heavily treated. Personally I think tenergy 05fx last much longer by miles and also worsens more linearly so you don't notice as much. If FX-S is going to have more durability I think it could be an excellent rubber |
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ckhirnigs113
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Posted: 07/19/2016 at 3:40pm |
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I also look forward to reading more reviews on these new rubbers from Tibhar. EL-S sounds mighty tempting.
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slevin
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Posted: 07/19/2016 at 1:56pm |
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Can't wait for your review, Andy. I've ordered a few sheets myself but it shall be at least a month before I try them.
I'm interested in comparison with another spinny 45 deg ESN new-gen rubber: the Omega V Europe.
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AndySmith
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Posted: 07/19/2016 at 10:56am |
Evos are a different sheet size, so I wonder if that's related? I don't recall noticing it on any of my recent Bluefires or Omegas.
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DreiZ
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Posted: 07/19/2016 at 10:33am |
Interested in EL-S. Can't wait for your review. Also almost all my red MXPs that I've bought were cut uneven as well. QC issue but not really noticeable once cut on the blade. |
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AndySmith
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Posted: 07/19/2016 at 10:25am |
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OK, so I made the out-of-character step of buying some new rubber, and the sheets arrived today. They're hitting the open market now so all your usual suppliers will likely have stocks now (still not quite available in the UK yet though).
Basic specs (note the bigger sheet size than regular ESN): Evolution FX-S - 1.9mm - Red - 168mmx178mm - 65.14g uncut, 43.91g cut Evolution EL-S - 2.1mm - Black - 167mmx179mm - 72.32g uncut, 49.02g cut The sponges are large-pored and don't have the booster smell of the original Evo -P range. I'd estimate EL-S to be 45 degree and FX-S to be 42 degree in an uneducated finger-squishing exercise. I'd say the topsheets are medium/soft, and very grippy (no slip or squeaky feel). I'd say the topsheets have a bit more flexibility and are a touch shinier in appearance than MX-S, but retain the short pip height. General quality of the sheets is great with no blemishes on the topsheets or unevenness in the sponges - as you'd expect from ESN really. They aren't cut quite straight though - only obvious when I was using a ruler to measure the size of the uncut sheet. Obviously not a problem once you cut them anyway, but not something I've seen from ESN sheets in the main. Needed two good layers of glue on the sponge to deal with the large pores. The sheets are totally flat and are easy to handle when making the bat up. Unfortunately, my training night is Monday and they've arrived today, so it might be a week before I can even try them out. Saaaaaaaad face.
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Ray
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Posted: 06/12/2016 at 6:06am |
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They will be available in Germany from July 4, 2016.
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Posted: 06/12/2016 at 2:42am |
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Looks like they are due in mid August. If you select a colour and thickness, you get a message that says: "
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Posted: 06/11/2016 at 11:37pm |
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They seem to be here:
http://www.teessport.com/rubbers-c6/tibhar-evolution-el-s-table-tennis-rubber-p9433 Expensive, though.
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NextLevel
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Posted: 06/11/2016 at 11:07pm |
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I heard they are out. Anyone with a review or some info on where to purchase?
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