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I think EL-S is a great improvement for Evo series 

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I think I am about to leave my beloved tenergy 05fx and switch to evolution fx-s

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I serve better with fx-s
block better with fx-s
loop is a bit harder because of lower throw
spin is higher I think
drive is better
tight game is safer

this is on a ligna off blade
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I did not like el-p or fx-p
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thank you guys, I've ordered el-s and fx-s, I'll let you know how it goes...
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Thanks dude. i hope you will share your experience with us as well.Im not fully satisfied with ELS on my BH due to its sensitive topsheet to incoming spin. I would like to try a softer FXS as well...

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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

My doubt is... El-s in theory should have even less catapult than El-P, because of the smaller pored sponge. (like MX-S has less catapult than MX-P). I wouldn't like to buy EL-s and discover it is even slower than el-p...
el-s doesn't have a small pored sponge like the mx-s.. It's sponge is similar to el-p. But it still feels a little less lively compared to the el-p until the sponge is activated, because of the hard topsheet. And I can't seem to get as much spin on my serves with the el-s compared to mx-p, t05, aurus, rakza, omega 5 series etc, no idea why!. Maybe I should try it on a differnt blade.

Oh well, guess it doesn't matter since yu ordered it already. Waiting for your thoughts :)
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Originally posted by nv42 nv42 wrote:

 el-s doesn't have a small pored sponge like the mx-s.. It's sponge is similar to el-p. But it still feels a little less lively compared to the el-p until the sponge is activated, because of the hard topsheet.  

Not small pored? Very interesting. 

Harder topsheet could provide slightly higher throw, and could give it more arc than elp at full power. 

what is strange, though, is that MXS has softer topsheet than MXP (and lower throw.)


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Even though the mx-s topsheet feels a bit softer than mx-p, I found it a tad more rigid and less elastic compared to the mx-p topsheet, because of which it gets that lower throw maybe.
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I´m not really happy with ELS on my BH, I was used to Traction II with loads of booster  and this one is quite slower, spinnier and higher arc with more sensitive topsheet.  I´m thinking if FX-S will fit my BH better than this one...Ermm
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FX-S was the best slapping rubber I ever used. I just wasn't convinced that I wanted to be a slapper.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I just wasn't convinced that I wanted to be a slapper.

That's what all slappers say, in my experience....
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

I´m not really happy with ELS on my BH, I was used to Traction II with loads of booster  and this one is quite slower, spinnier and higher arc with more sensitive topsheet.  I´m thinking if FX-S will fit my BH better than this one...Ermm

of course.. fx is the right hardness for backhand. ON backhand, sometimes you can only do a quick wrist motion, and when you do that, the ball must shoot forward and fast, not upwards and slow. With fx, the ball shoots low and forward and fast, with el, it shoots high and slow and spinny.
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Have you tried both of them? I fear FX-S to be quite slower than EL-S which isn´t really fast for my liking.

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I think fx-s is for mortals. a bit like tenergy 05 fx. for people who want to try and play a modern offence game but don't quite have the skillset to play with full versions
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Have you tried both of them? I fear FX-S to be quite slower than EL-S which isn´t really fast for my liking.

so fai I tried el-p and fx-p. fx-p is faster on bh loops with the wrist only.

I assume it's the same with els and fxs, cause it's due to the hardness.
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I so want to try EL-S on my backhand, but i m afraid it will be super slow compared to MX-P or 05
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No, it's not that slow. Pretty much he same speed as T05
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Originally posted by assam assam wrote:

No, it's not that slow. Pretty much he same speed as T05


Yeah. And I am Barack Obama.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Haha! Well, if all you do is hit winners with your bh, then it definitely won't be slow :P
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Ok Barack, you know...
I didn't find it much faster. But I've found MX-P much faster than T05. T05 and EL-S don't have such a big difference, but probably depends on your strokes...


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Originally posted by assam assam wrote:

No, it's not that slow. Pretty much he same speed as T05


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Originally posted by assam assam wrote:

Ok Barack, you know...
I didn't find it much faster. But I've found MX-P much faster than T05. T05 and EL-S don't have such a big difference, but probably depends on your strokes...


Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by assam assam wrote:

No, it's not that slow. Pretty much he same speed as T05


Yeah. And I am Barack Obama.

MXP is indeed clearly faster than 05 and spin is quite similar new brand new, maybe 5% or 10% less. But once you wear off MXP and the tunning effect fades off, then it´s as fast as 05 but less spinnier.
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That's true, and with a lower trowing angle. EL-S trowing angle is higher, close to t05
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Originally posted by assam assam wrote:

Ok Barack, you know...
I didn't find it much faster. But I've found MX-P much faster than T05. T05 and EL-S don't have such a big difference, but probably depends on your strokes...


Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by assam assam wrote:

No, it's not that slow. Pretty much he same speed as T05


Yeah. And I am Barack Obama.

Looking with EL-S from mid distance is more work - it doesn't have the same sponge kick that 05 works.  This is what I mean.
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Far from the table I agree with you, at the table and at 2-3 meters from the table I couldn't find many differences. But I could find them when comparing t05 and MX-P, close to the table.
I didn't try the EL-S with booster but t05 is great with booster
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I take back all I say about fx-s.

im back on 05fx for fh and am never trying anything else again in a vain attempt to save money.

you just cant beat that throw angle with tenergy
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I glued the els on the opposite side of elp, on my clipper cr. Tested it on forehand.

els is much slower, and much lower throw. Even less catapult than elp. 

exactly the same relation of mxs to mxp.

notably, when I increase the power of my shot, the els seems to decrease instead of increasing, so that the ball barely reaches the net. (probably it is just my impression, due to the fact els increases only linearly, whereas elp has catapult). However, the same stroke with elp produces a regular loop. 

at this point I have trouble understanding the purpose of the rubber.

True, I haven't yet boosted the els, but my elp I used for the comparison was boosted but very old. and yet it's a much better rubber.

I might speed glue it directly... I have little hope booster will do something.

it's true the els topsheet is harder than elp, and possibly also the sponge, but this has no consequence. the throw of els as I said is lower, and the catapult even less.

Update: With 1 layer of haifu whale speed glue, els has become playable. It is now as fast as elp (which does not have speed glue). The throw is still lower than elp, and requires a change of stroke. 

Basically, after boosting, els becomes exactly like bluefire jp02, two years later.


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As i said before i´m not that happy with ELS on my BH. Would you rather go for FX-S or maybe EL-P/FX-P? I´m begging to think  it´s the "S" topsheets that are  hard & dead as MXS or ELS but not springy enough

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Am I the only guy in this forum that think the EL-S is playable, Spin is on par with the Acuda Blues, Speed is good and controllable, the throw is also good , why do so many have issue with a good rubber ?
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Everyone just expected a bit too much from it and were lot down, of course it's decent rubber in its own right, just not as good as mx-p, t05 etc
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