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    Posted: 08/29/2016 at 1:08am
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But.. there's people in every seat of the arena! Where they giving away tickets for free or organising school trips? 

Also, I was expecting to be more impressed with the game. I suppose the development of technique, coaching, etc is about 40 years behind table tennis and far fewer people practice this sport as seriously as table tennis. 
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Not a fan of the unique scoring system, first to 15 wins, no need for a 2 point margin. Can't think of any other racket sport where you win a set by a single point. 

Also, each player seems to have a double pointer wild-card they can play at the business end of the set. I guess that's been introduced to make it more exciting to the spectators. Whilst it does make certain points more important and introduces a slight extra tactical element, I feel like it's just a gimmick really and makes it all feel more like a bad games show. 
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That's what I'd call hardbat too, if it were hardbat.  But it wasn't.  It was a segment from the quarterfinals of the 2016 World Championships of Ping Pong, played in January 2016 with identical sandpaper covered rackets at the Alexandra Palace in London, England.  The contestants were Andrew Rushton of England and Lubomir Pistev of Slovakia.

The WCPP website indicates the costs of tickets for the event, so I presume there were relatively few freebies.  And yes the seats were full, as is not always the case at ITTF events.

This was offensive spin reversal table tennis played at a level at which none of us (well perhaps Dan Seemiller) is capable of playing with a sandpaper racket untensored, unboosted, unantispined, and unlongpipped.  It is not 1970s style table tennis, and I have both seen and played 1970s style table tennis.

I'm not a fan of the 15-point format or the 2-point gimmick.  Being a traditionalist, I'd rather see a 21-point format, 5-serves per player, and 38 mm. balls.  Then you'd have a really fast game, and maybe a bit more Gonzalez-Hoff style defense.  It takes incredible precision to topspin forehand and backhand, however, the way these guys do.  Pick up a sandbat and try it yourself sometime.   

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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

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This was offensive spin reversal table tennis played at a level at which none of us (well perhaps Dan Seemiller) is capable of playing with a sandpaper racket untensored, unboosted, unantispined, and unlongpipped.  It is not 1970s style table tennis, and I have both seen and played 1970s style table tennis.
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It takes incredible precision to topspin forehand and backhand, however, the way these guys do.  Pick up a sandbat and try it yourself sometime.   


I suppose as is often the case, when you don't quite understand something, you appreciate it less. Didn't realise Andrew Rushton is a high-level inverted player as well (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S__jC4sIwPQ). 

And what does spin reversal table tennis mean? If you play a top spin to me, for me to return a topspin to you do I just have to make the sandpaper bat brush the ball much faster than with a modern set up?

I'd happily try this of course, if ever I saw one of these paddles somewhere. Haven't even seen one for sale anywhere, nevermind someone playing with one. 

With TTX, hardbat, Ping Pong as seen here, and table tennis there are quite a few different avenues to explore.


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I really like the WCPP.  They provide a more accessible, fan-friendly version of TT.  Of course it's not real hardbat.  There's nobody wearing pants.  These are real athletes (just messing with ya BM.  LOL!).  If they continue, I think in about 20 years they will be in competition with the TT we now play.  At the very least, they could be a less visible version of TT the way 10k is compared to the 100m sprint or ice dancing is to figure skating.  
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