Do chinese rubbers react less to incoming spin

sponge thickness, softness, and topsheet tackiness all negatively correlate with control vs incoming spin. Personally I thought tenergy returned pretty well and pushed great for a tuned Japanese rubber.

fast long spinny serves can be a little different.  I would say a broken in h3n would handle them better.  A new sheet might not.

I have played with both the Tenergy 05 (for a couple of years; the 05fx only briefly tested) and now Hurricane 3 Neo (the Nittaku version) since almost 2 years and to me the Tenergy is more sensitive to incoming spin in every aspect (serve return, pushing or looping underspin, blocking topspin). I do not have a (scientific) explanation why that is but maybe it has to do with the bounciness of the tenergy as the more tacky topsheet of the H3N allows for a longer ball contact and hence more control.

You're better to loop any long serves, but if you can't read the spin or don't have time to react then I'll have to say Chinese rubbers can do a much better job of getting the ball back on the table. However, if you perfectly aware of the incoming spin and still want to push the ball back, either Jap or Chinese rubber will be fine.

Matt Pimple wrote: I have played with both the Tenergy 05 (for a couple of years; the 05fx only briefly tested) and now Hurricane 3 Neo (the Nittaku version) since almost 2 years and to me the Tenergy is more sensitive to incoming spin in every aspect (serve return, pushing or looping underspin, blocking topspin). I do not have a (scientific) explanation why that is but maybe it has to do with the bounciness of the tenergy as the more tacky topsheet of the H3N allows for a longer ball contact and hence more control.

+1

totally agree

I use H8 and have used Ten 05.

The short game is definitely easier with H8.

i tried h3n on bh last night in match with only a couple of hours of practice previous
it was excellent, definately better on serve return

very good for tight serves then trying to get in on 3rd ball with big top spin on bh

think it could be a good decision

only slight negative is i feel it is a bit harder to hit with

bbkon wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: It's not so much Chinese rubbers that react less to spin it's slow and dead sponges. It just so happens to be the case that most Chinese rubbers have slow and dead sponges. If you use something like Tackiness chop, which is not a Chinese rubber, it is going to be less sensitive to spin than most inverted rubbers. Is the same argument for short pips?

What? No way. Short pips are a very different kind of topsheet. While the type of sponge definitely has an impact, the topsheets of short pips are much less reactive to spin than inverted rubber. Of course, as a result, it generates less spin as well.

But to further clarify let's take a look at some examples. First, let's bring up Butterfly Tackiness chop (a slow inverted rubber) again and compare it to SpinLord Waran (a glue effect short pip). These rubbers will react to spin in different ways. The topsheet of tackiness chop (or any normal inverted rubber) is more sensitive to spin than waran (or any short pip). However, the sponge of tackiness chop is less sensitive to incoming speed and energy than the sponge of Waran. So in this case, the type of incoming shot dictates which rubber will be more sensitive. For something like serve reception, tackiness chop is more sensitive than Waran but for something like blocking a fast drive, Waran is more sensitive than tackiness chop. Also, the outcome of the serve reception or the block will be different between the rubbers but that is a conversation for a completely different topic.

If an inverted rubber and a short pip rubber used an identical sponge though, the short pip rubber would be less sensitive in every regard. Normal inverted rubber, independent of the sponge, is always more sensitive than a short pip topsheet.

TSP Spectol is my favorite short pip topsheet for receiving serve. TSP is a Japanese company

Ladon1997 wrote: TSP , Xiom and Victas are under one roof

Your point being?

shaun729 wrote: TSP and Victas are Japanese. Xiom is Korean so they are not under one roof.

To my understanding TSP and Victas are under the same roof (Yamato Takkyu) but Xiom is more of "friend" of Yamato Takkyu rather than belonging to it. I think I've seen Xiom mentioned for something on the Yamato Takkyu website.

GeneralSpecific wrote: TSP Spectol is my favorite short pip topsheet for receiving serve. TSP is a Japanese company

I find regular spectol is not trouble for the opponent. Have you tried the speed version?

bbkon wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: TSP Spectol is my favorite short pip topsheet for receiving serve. TSP is a Japanese company I find regular spectol is not trouble for the opponent. Have you tried the speed version?

All 5 Spectols use the exact same topsheet. It's only the sponge that is different.

Xiom Vega SPO is new pips out Rubber for 40+

how does the h8 compare to h3n?