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Originally posted by Lestat Lestat wrote:

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Thanks ChicchoFicho, TTGold, Lestat, tom and zeio.

@TTGold The boy who is choing in that video is not actually playing a match there. He's just choing like that because he's silly, hehe. Once he gets older he'll calm down. I think he has some problems concentrating.

@Lestat I'm actually trying to figure out the same problem. I put in a lot of effort into movement, probably one of the most active on my feet in my club, but lack power on my shots. I think TTGold has it right. I'm too tense and too controlled on my shots. I lack speed on my swing. I need to not worry about missing, loosen up, and try to swing my arm much faster. Once I get used to the faster timing, I could probably do it more in actual matches, too. Opening my forehand angle will definitely help. So many videos of myself I lack any forehand snap. I'm using my shoulder too much.

About the Fukushima fallout, the area around the nuclear reactors have been abandoned ever since. But no one in Japan outside of that area is wearing the mask for that reason. Most people actually wear it to stop the spread of or catching the cold/flu. You see it a lot when it starts to get colder. For example, a month or so back, nearly 15 students in each of my classes were wearing them. Now, as it's starting to get warmer, maybe only 3-4 students wear them. Basically if you're coughing, you wear one of those masks. There are also people who wear it for fashion, though. But yeah, those masks are just as common anywhere in Japan. Rural or city.


Interesting that you're using the masks to protect against flu. As fas as I know, once you are outside the disaster area, internal radiation (hot particles/internal emitters, inhaled or ingested) is much more dangerous long term compared to general external exposure. Hence my assumption.

But back on topic, I would have a look for Brett Clarke's teddy bear video, 'Learn forehand topspin like a bear' or something like that. Pretend for a moment you don't have control over the shoulder joint, and try to swing your arm freely just by using your waist. It should look like your arm is out of the socket. That will give you a clue to what you are looking for. 
This German guy makes extremely good table tennis videos. He also made one for the basic strokes with english subtitles https://youtu.be/zgu07kjb_g4
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Lest at identified the problem (lack of whip). That TTR hunter video will not solve it. Neither will this one by Brett Clarke but it will give mickd and idea.   Basically,you need to pull your racket into the ball like you are cracking a whip. Will post the link next - you can do this with just your lower arm or wrist as well if your stroke is a bent arm stroke. But the body must lead the racket on the forward swing or your backswing should not be fully completed before the body starts coming forward. Not easy to see in words but once you get a feel for it, then you can't imagine looping any other way.

https://youtu.be/tyCTDQRkPHo

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I just wanted to post that video so some people notice his channel. There are so many useful videos.
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Thanks NL. I actually haven't seen that video before. I love how easily Brett explains and demonstrates everything.
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I've always had problems with long pimples. I think a lot of newer players dislike playing against it because the timing and spin on the ball is completely different.

Here's the first part of a match I played yesterday against a long pimples player. My camera stopped recording, so that's all I got. I play him once every few months. I've always had trouble against him because of his serves, and how the ball just doesn't come at you). I still struggle, but I feel like I'm finally starting to 'get it' a little better.

I actually lost the match, but we played another, and I won that one 3-0, which has never happened before.



Comments welcome.

On an unrelated note, I went to one of the top middle school table tennis clubs in the area yesterday and today to practice with the kids. Man was it a lot of fun. The kids are so good. They practice 2 hours every day Monday to Friday, and 4 hours on Saturday and Sunday. They have so many styles. At the end we were playing single set matches (rotating every few minutes even if the matches weren't finished). Basically every kid had a completely different style. I would face one with long pips on the backhand, then another with short pips on the forehand, then a regular inverted player, then a player with short pips backhand, then one with short pips forehand and long pips backhand. The first player would be a flat hitter, then a chopper, then a looper, etc. It was a great experience. Since the matches were played like an elevator style (winners advance up one table, losers go down), I ended up around the top 8, with like 30 players.

EDIT: I was really surprised I got the first point of the second set! Usually net balls just completely throw me off.


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You should play long pips all the time.  That is the best I have ever seen your strokes look especially your forehand.
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That point in the 2nd game is the one you need to aim for. The impact that feels like you have the ball in your hand and then fling it out.

Simply work on it until you can do it consistently for 11 times.
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Thanks NL and zeio!

My general thinking was that since the ball never comes at me as much as I think it would, I need to have more forward movement on my forehand stroke against long pips. For my backhand, I need to close the racket angle a lot more, and not be worried the ball will fall into the net (since I always end up hitting it over).

I had a few points with my forehand where it felt like that, Zeio. Really feels good to hit balls like that!
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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

I also celebrate after certain points, but only after certain ones. Also I at least celebrate in my own language. I find it pretty stupid how everyone celebrates in Chinese or some changed version of cho like chu, Chole or tu even though they don't even know what it means.
That was one of the weirdest things for me to observe when I first started watching matches and tournaments. I guess if you grew up watching it and playing with others, that might become part of your habits. But it seems really odd to me to cheer in a different language.
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A match from a recent tournament I went to. I wish I could play the better players, but it's a team competition, and my team is stuck in the lower divisions.

My opponent is using short pimples on the black side.

I was really surprised that I countered the ball at 2:13, and I was really surprised he returned the ball at 4:06!!

The video is the whole match, minus picking up the ball. Since I won the first two sets quite comfortably, I decided to try a few things I usually wouldn't do in the third and fourth sets. Namely, different serves to practice third ball, backhand against underspin, and sometimes I didn't try and kill the ball like I would have in the first two sets.

Any comments welcome!

P.S. Sorry about the people standing in front of the camera. They only last for a few points.




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I just found this thread. Very intersting. I can almost feel the passion that is share by a lot of table tennis lovers. Keep going, man!
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You look better everytime. Your FH seems more solid and consistent. I saw a few good serves and nice rallies. Very good shot at 2:13
I think you should work on your BH and especially your footwork. Better footwork will immediately improve your FH as well.
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Thanks wanchope and balldance.

For the last year or so, I've been working hard on my backhand. I really feel a lot more confident in matches knowing that I can fall back on my backhand more consistently! It's a work in progress though :)

At that last tournament, a chopper backed really far during his match and knocked my camera over... So I won't be able to take anymore videos until it gets fixed :( I'm expecting it to be pretty costly, too. I still have a few raw files that I'm planning to edit and upload in the meantime!
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Thanks wanchope and balldance.

For the last year or so, I've been working hard on my backhand. I really feel a lot more confident in matches knowing that I can fall back on my backhand more consistently! It's a work in progress though :)

At that last tournament, a chopper backed really far during his match and knocked my camera over... So I won't be able to take anymore videos until it gets fixed :( I'm expecting it to be pretty costly, too. I still have a few raw files that I'm planning to edit and upload in the meantime!

Oh no!

One solution in the meantime is to consider a tripod mount for your phone like this. Videos obviously won't be as good, but it's a relatively inexpensive alternative.
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Very nice progress overall. The counter loop at 2:13 was amazing. Played like a pro!

Work on your BH & footwork in practice and try to get your BH engaged in your offense. At this stage, if your opponent keeps pushing the ball to your BH (He was clearly doing that in the video), try to step aside and use your FH to attack. 
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The forehand technique is just better with a straighter arm in the backswing.   The backhand is solid as well. Could probably use a bit more whip and power but still a quality shot. I would focus on your serve and serve return a little.
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I think your FH is progressing extremely well, especially with spin and consistency. I think your BH looks fine, it's just that you need a lot more confidence in it and not do a shot "gingerly". Just go for it with conviction in matches, if you make mistakes and lose, it's really not the end of the world. Another thing with your BH is that you should aim to generate as much spin (by brushing the ball hard) as possible from your stroke so that your stroke consistency can go up (due to the heavy topspin being generated), so don't hold back on your stroke! The more gingerly you approach your stroke, the less spin you generate and the more mistakes you will make. 

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Thank everyone for the words of encouragement and advice! I'll definitely continue to work on my backhand. Since I started working on it a year ago, I've managed to close my racket angle a lot more, relax my arm a lot more, and use my wrist more. I'll keep working on it, especially to gain confidence in being more aggressive with it.

I'm also more consistent at blocking, especially when transitioning from a forehand into a backhand at medium distance (for whatever reason, say, lack of footwork). I used to always stretch my arm too far forward and have the ball fall into the net at those times.

I'm not sure if I've fixed this, but I used to sidestep parallel to the end of the table when transitioning to my backhand, but I've been trying hard to sidestep in a slightly circular motion.

Serve receive (especially receive) is still a work in progress... I have some "better" serves, too. But recently I've been using more "simple" serves because it gives me an easier time with the third ball. Against slightly better opponents, those serves don't work very well, though.

The reverse pendulum serve at 1:27 (side-top), followed by another one (side-under) right after are usually quite effective. Still a little high over the net, maybe. Also, my short backhand serves (side-top and side-under) are usually effective at limiting slightly better players). Backhand serves are very safe for me. 

Serves I find effective against right handers (excluding players way above my playing level) are short/semi-long side spin serves to the far forehand corner that spin away from the table, long heavy side-under (mostly under) spin serves into their middle/slight forehand (forces them to loop instead of drive, or push), and no spin/slight underspin fast long serves to their backhand. Depending on where they stand in their ready position, i might have to change it, though.


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Serve receive is forever a work in progress.   When I look at serves in particular, I am looking at specific things since I worked with TTEdge on mine. Serving is something is well worth taking lessons from a very good server on. Sometimes you learn a lot just by asking good nice players to show you things so that the hours of practice you are clearly putting in don't go to waste.
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nice progress. you need to practice more stepping in when the ball falls a bit short or you want to loop the ball above the table.
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I can't believe it has already been 8 months since I made this thread! I feel like I've improved a lot over that period. I think my consistency has definitely gone up. I feel like I'm a lot more aggressive off serve now. I notice my consistency has gone up because against players who are lower level than me, I can usually win with a much more comfortable lead. For example, a player that I may have won 11-7 or so before, I can generally win 11-4 or so now.

As for players who were better than me back then, well, that is still a work in progress! I think I need to start practicing with more people above my level to really start playing at the next level. I rarely play with people better than me (even with so many people much better than me).

This year my goal has been to develop a backhand. Right now I'm starting to feel comfortable with attacking no spin/top spin balls in training more aggressively, but I still need to develop an opening against underspin. To compensate, I've been practicing a lot more stepping around the table and utilizing serves which come back towards my forehand.

Here are some of the matches from a small local tournament recently. It was more of a fun and relaxing atmosphere than a serious one. The matches I struggled with I'm going to make a different thread to hopefully get some help with.





EDIT: Sorry, I accidentally cut the 3rd point short in the first video. Also, someone stood in front of my camera towards the end of the 2nd video, so I had to cut it short. I won the first set easily, so I was practicing my backhand a little, but I kept missing, so the score was actually 3-8. I went back to being aggressive and won the set.


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I like these gyms very much. I used to play in high school gyms or youth club (seinen-no-ie) gyms in Nagoya area.
I can´t forget first time I played in a place like that, I did not carry proper shoes and entered the court with same shoes I was using, something not polite at all.
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Haha, yeah. The gyms are great. The city usually keeps them maintained by rewaxing them twice or so a year. In general, most gyms are quite grippy and very easy to play table tennis on. I love how most gyms in Japan have table tennis during some point of the week. That includes the school gyms, too.
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You look great mickd. Seems like your first opponent and maybe at times the second one too were serving illegally.
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Hey mickd, I think you're really improving heaps! Those were some excellent controlled play... One suggestion I would have is to hit the gym and do strength training soon, strengthen your body so that you can avoid injuries and extend your playing life... And always try to maintain a relaxed approach to play and use only 70-80% power at most!

You can always start slow and do something like once a week first :)
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Thanks gts072. Nearly everyone serves illegally here in some way. Most are older players who have been playing long before the current service rules were put into place, so it's more of a habitual thing for them.

I used to get really frustrated by it, and I found that what caused me to lose a lot of those games wasn't really the illegal serves, but my mental state overthinking the legality of the serves.

Now I've come to accept them :) These aren't very serious tournaments, and most are just there to be social and have some fun while playing table tennis!

Thanks blahness. Yeah, I really want to hit the gym, but it's so hard to stay motivated to do so. I really need to find someone to go with, so I'll we'll both have someone to make sure none of us slack off.

My right ankle has had some very minor pain if i twist it around a certain way. Not enough for me to notice or affect me playing table tennis in anyway, but it's something I need to be careful about... Same with my left wrist.


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MyTT forum member Bogeyhunter convinced me to accept that dealing with illegal serves in a club match or tourney is the opponent giving you free training. I used to get SO hyper upset at that stuff, but he showed me the right perspective in that area.
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

MyTT forum member Bogeyhunter convinced me to accept that dealing with illegal serves in a club match or tourney is the opponent giving you free training. I used to get SO hyper upset at that stuff, but he showed me the right perspective in that area.

I saw a lot of players, specially casual players, got offended and stop playing.  One time I saw 2 players, player A complain about player B's serves, after the match completed, player B left.  Player A has no one else to play, so he sit around for another 1/2 hours, and left as well.  Both players evenings were ruined, which was pity, as they both played at roughly the same level, and could have had lots of fun.
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I can lose a match to illegal serves and complain after. Both hiding and extremely low tosses affect me as a serve is easy to keep low with sidespin that looks like backspin when you don't toss the ball up. Over time, I have gotten good enough to play through it and I have convinced myself that no one's serves are legal under the new rules, including Timo Boll and Samsonov, and of course myself. You have to just play through it.
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When I played tennis back in the '80s, one dude's serve was so illegal he actually started it from inside the baseline.  Needless to say, this gave him a considerable advantage in rushing the net.  

It did not take long for me and a tennis buddy to solve this problem.  When playing this guy, we started our serves from inside the service line.  It took a while but eventually he got the point

There may be a carryover here to table tennis.  Start your serve from 3 or 4 feet inside the baseline of the table, hide it with the most convenient body part, and fire at will.  

You probably won't get many people to play you, since many more than a few serve illegally, but at least you'll have stood up for what's honorable, as opposed to what's a sharp practice as well as, well you know.  
 
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