Lighter Viscarias can generate more spin ?

flex blade can easily generate more spin. the lighter/heavier blade may or may not generate more speed on the ball.

remember momentum formula? :) p = m * v. if you are using a lighter blade, you may swing it faster than a heavier blade, but heavier blade has larger value in m.


Edited by chroot - 12/08/2016 at 4:47pm

zeio wrote: jackwong23 wrote: And unless my eyes tell me lies, I do believe a 85g Viscaria create more topspin than a 90g Viscaria. My lighter Vis has more dwell time and makes the ball dip/curve more. Then a lighter Viscaria suits you better. That's what matters.

At the end of the day, this is the bottom line. 

There are a lot of reasons some people like lighter blades.  Some people find it facilitates FH to BH transitions (I know that affects me when blades get above my favored weight range).  Some people find the lighter blade gives better touch in short game (and there are excellent physiological reasons why that might be true).  Even elbow problems.  As for generating more spin, I have had many Viscarias, and liked a small subset of them MUCH better than the others -- for everything.  I don't think it was just the weight though.  For some reason a couple of them were just perfect.  It is good you found one like that.

There are a lot of issues at play. 

(1) 50% more spin?  Entirely implausible.  As zeio implied in his remarks.  And I would need a lot more information than arc of the ball.  In essence, none of us have a good means to measure the spin we put on a ball in any rational way.  What you would need to do it properly costs more than any of us could spend. 
(2)  The fact that you like one at least 50% more, that I completely believe.  I have had Viscarias where I liked one at least that much more than the other. 
(3)  Small sample size.  You are comparing two blades, which happen to differ in weight.  You like one a lot better.  Then you attribute all of it to the weight.  Sorry, can't do that.  It is a pretty common fallacy.  Even with larger sample size, correlation does not always imply causation, but with just two blades you don't really even have a correlation.  

kurokami wrote: that you feel the lighter one allows for more spin is more a result of your technique and touch perception, not due to the weight of the blade

Which is very real and underlies the fact that Jack has found a blade he likes, which is the main thing.

So most people don't agree with me that it was the lighter weight of the blade Which created the extra spin .

SO WHAT caused the extra spin?

1. Did I use the same technique when
Top spinning with both blades?
Yes, most definitely. I HAVE a very repeatable forehand topspin technique. I let the ball sinks into the sponge as much as I can before brushing the ball.

2, DID I brush the ball as much for both blades?
YES, I definitely brushed the ball as much for both blades

3. Did I topspin the ball with Similar angle for both blades?
I am sure I did not deliberately close the racket angle to create spinnier
Shots for the heavier blade.

I Believe it was not my techniques which created the extra spin.
If it was not the weight, what is it then ? THE flex of the blade ? THE quality of the wood used ? I AM not so sure.

Have I found my perfect blade ? Probably.
I have only played with this 85g Viscaria blade
For 2 months and it is acceptable to me so far. THE EXTRA
Spin it gives me is great, but it has a somewhat hollow feeling
And lacks a bit of power which I don't like. THE 90g viscaria blade is much more powerful but is a lot less spinny. My 85g viscaria is probably
50 % spinnier.


Edited by jackwong23 - 12/09/2016 at 12:00am

Again with the 50% number.

Well.        Ok.       

Perhaps a 86 or 87g Viscaria would be the perfect balance?

Measure the thickness of both blades, it's not that hard. My guess - it's a flex - 99.99%

Baal wrote: This is a part of the reason that I know that a 5 g or so difference in blade weight in Viscarias does not systematically result in a 50% or 80% or 100% or some other miraculous increase in spin. But hey, if that's what you think, great.

Nice collection, Baal.
AS I said before, maybe the weight of the blade has nothing to do with miraculous increase of spin.

MAYBE it is the flex and quality of wood used which contributed to the miraculous increase of spin.

Edited by jackwong23 - 12/09/2016 at 2:27am

After reading kurokamis post about how lighter blades are chosen for kids so because of the quicker rebound I just remembered something.
1. The lighter vega pro which I tried did feel hollower than the heavier ones, but it was also a tad bit stiffer. Now did the heavier vega pros create less spin cuz of the extra flex? (or maybe there wasn't any extra flex, maybe it was just my perception).

2.i'v tried quite a few of sanwei f3 bulldozer ( a bit similar in construction to MA long V with a walnut or dark limba top, will post a review soon as I get some free time). And the heavier of the lot here felt like it could spin the ball easier, and the heavier ones also felt less flexy. The lighter ones were around 93-95gms and the heavier ones a were 101-103 gms. Pretty heavy, but still remains balanced with two mx-p's for me, so currently my main blade.

So yeah, bascially all this perception of extra spin can come due to many factors and its impossible to theorize it.

And I wonder if the OPs heavy viscaria was cut out of a frying pan, creating 50 percent more spin than that wouldn't make sense otherwise. 😂. Jk