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    Posted: 01/03/2017 at 4:24pm
I was wondering what part of the blade is suppose to contact the ball when doing a tpb? Is it dependent on the spin put on the ball? If so which part do you use for each type of spin?
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First, what is tpb?
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

First, what is tpb?

Traditional penhold backhand
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Near the center of gravity, regardless of the spin.

PingPangWang published several days ago a new video on the stroke 推擋(literally pushblock) and its variants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE6gOielMJk


Edited by zeio - 01/03/2017 at 5:33pm
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Found some good instructional videos with TPB techniques and common mistakes. 




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Zeio beat me to this. Clap
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Ho ho ho.
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I was wondering what tpb was hahaha
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Are there videos in English language ?
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Not that I know of.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Near the center of gravity, regardless of the spin.

PingPangWang published several days ago a new video on the stroke 推擋(literally pushblock) and its variants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE6gOielMJk

Is there a specific way to return low balls?
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For low balls, your options are usually limited to 推(push, for a slow light topspin ball), 挡(block, if the ball comes with a lot of pace and/or spin), or 切下旋(chopblock, for a really heavy topspin ball). The idea is to create a safe trajectory either by adding your own pace to the ball, by borrowing the pace of the ball, or both at the same time.

Edited by zeio - 01/10/2017 at 12:30pm
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Here is a video of the player with the best penhold backhand of all times. I doubt anyone would ever come close to him in this respect
 



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I like playing TPB but it's hard to attack fast deep pushes towards BH without RPB.
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Kim Wan used to stay center table or even wide to his forehand side. He would cover the whole table with his deadly backhand smash. No one could return his backhand smashes.

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(ChichoFicho)  Here is a video of the player with the best penhold backhand of all times. I doubt anyone would ever come close to him in this respect.

Ichiro Ogimura, Toshihiro Tanaka, Zhuang Ze Dong, and Lee Dal Joon all had better and more consistent traditional penhold backhands than the player shown in the two YouTube videos.  And we're not even talking about the reverse penhold backhand of Wang Hao.

The tpbs of Ogimura, Tanaka and Zhuang can be seen on YouTube.  I took lessons in 1970 from Lee Dal Joon, once one of the top 10 or 15 players in the World and several times U.S. Open Singles Champion, and can personally attest to the consistency and deadliness of his backhand drive, which was almost as dangerous as his forehand loop. 


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No one mention Chiang peng lung?
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Both players in this video were masters of the TPB, in the 38 mm ball era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGvA7Zm-rc
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

(ChichoFicho)  Here is a video of the player with the best penhold backhand of all times. I doubt anyone would ever come close to him in this respect.

Ichiro Ogimura, Toshihiro Tanaka, Zhuang Ze Dong, and Lee Dal Joon all had better and more consistent traditional penhold backhands than the player shown in the two YouTube videos.  And we're not even talking about the reverse penhold backhand of Wang Hao.

The tpbs of Ogimura, Tanaka and Zhuang can be seen on YouTube.  I took lessons in 1970 from Lee Dal Joon, once one of the top 10 or 15 players in the World and several times U.S. Open Singles Champion, and can personally attest to the consistency and deadliness of his backhand drive, which was almost as dangerous as his forehand loop. 

 You are right - they were all masters of the penhold backhand. However, no one comes close to Kim Wan. He has by far the best penhold backhand in the history of the game. I doubt we will ever see anybody like him in the future.
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Between them, Ogimura, Tanaka, and Zhuang won seven World Singles Championships (Ogimura and Tanaka two each, Zhuang three).  Lee Dal Joon won six consecutive U.S. Open titles (1968-1973).  And Wang Hao's reverse penhold backhand may still be the best rpb in the history of the sport.

Why do you maintain, ChichoFicho, that Kim Wan has "by far" the best penhold backhand in table tennis history?  I must confess that I am not familiar with him or his reputation.  His traditional penhold backhand, from what I saw in the YouTube videos is excellent, but it is a stretch to say that he has the best penhold backhand to date or possibly even in the future. 


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Here is Kim Wan's medal record, pasted from Wikipedia:

Kim Wan
Full nameKIM Wan
Nationality South Korea

It is a fairly distinguished record, though not quite that at the world championship level.  Obviously Kim could play well both in singles and doubles.

Note to the original poster:  As a penholder from 2000 until injuries knocked me out of competition in 2005, I used the rpb with a Wang Hao grip, not the tpb.  I did ask Lily Yip, however, how she moved her thumb, index finger, and the three other fingers on the back of the blade in stroking a push block, chop block or a backhand drive.  For her forehand drive she held her thumb and forefinger in a "clamp" position, with about 1/2" of space between the two, pretty much as described in "The Chinese Book of Table Tennis", published in 1983.  To stroke a backhand push block, chop block, or drive, she moved her thumb to the side of the racket, using the first knuckle joint of the thumb to open or close the racket.  Her push block motion was a forward motion with the racket inclined maybe 20 degrees closed, the chop block slightly forward and downward with the racket roughly perpendicular to the floor.  Her backhand drive and smash started with the racket closed at about 30-35 degrees and the forearm finishing above the right shoulder, handle pointing downward and slightly to the left.
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We are not talking about medal record but about who had the best penhold backhand.

Kim Wan is the only high level penholder who used to win more points with his tremendous backhand drive than with his forehand.

 Wang Hao's reverse backhand was tricky but nowhere near the destructiveness of Kim Wan's. At his best Kim would smash any ball sent to his backhand and no one could return it.


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