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ttspirit
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No my friend, they wanted to do a special blade for around 160 or 170 euro. I don't know exactly how much but I know they just wanted to do it with other dimensions, so what should I do with that blade which not fits me ? Therefore i said no. I dealed some time bevor with Butterfly doing a special blade for me and it happend easy as can be. Soulspin have limits when it comes to make special blade-butterfly doesn't. What a pitty that Butterfly has become very expensive in that area.
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ttspirit
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Hi stratara, I thought you were a smart cookie. Why do you get on board to those brainless statements of Andy Smith ? I just told the truth of soulspin and my experiencies of doing a special blade.
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AndySmith
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Mad as a bucket of frogs. Seek help.
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Jasonh
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Actually, Butterfly Special Order has of the most limits together with Nittaku's. Asymmetric structures cannot be requested as commercial special order, and the blade dimension is limited to all commercial blades' dimensions, I believe?
I don't know about Soulspin but for most customblade makers, e.g. Ross, Singody, TT Manufaktor, DAB blades, the dimension should not be a big problem. Hey Andy, does Butterfly still make Viscaria with chocolate chip on the forehand side and whipped cream on the other? I wonder if they have gotten some better packaging since then.
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AndySmith
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This guy's issue was that soulspin wouldn't make him a custom handle, not the head size. Soulspin's approach to blade building is that they have a lot of different handle options for a buyer to select from, shaped by a cnc machine. But they don't do truly custom handles down to the mm, because configuring the cnc machine is a time intensive process and would cost too much. That may sound perfectly sensible to you or I, but after tt-spirit's obsessive demands were declined by soulspin, he now takes every opportunity to knock them as a company, telling people that they won't be satisfied if they use them and that they have no future as a company. Imagine asking for something incredibly specific like that, and then getting so upset that you have to jump on them at every opportunity. I mean, in this very thread he's bashing blades for lack of "soul" that he's never tried.
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Baal
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To be honest, that is what it sounds like to me. I have become pretty picky about my handles, but tt-spirit has demands that would not be plausible for anyone except a small custom maker like maybe Mr. Levy in Romania.
From what I have seen of Soulspin blades, they are awesome, and NOBODY gives you more flexibility. But even they have limits. |
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AndySmith
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Absolutely. What amazes me about tt-s is that he chooses to aggro one of the most flexible companies out there, with more handle options than almost anyone, with a progressive approach to sending test boxes out to potential customers. So they don't do custom handles to the mm - so what? Just move on to someone who does, if that's what you absolutely must have.
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Baal
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The blades made by Soulspin that I have seen from people who have purchased directly from them are amazing. I have first hand knowledge of their feel and build quality. They build blades for other companies (Donic for ex.) and I don't know if they are responsible for the design, and I have not tried their blades. I certainly lack the secret EJ power to judge just by looking.
So Soulspin made a blade you don't like? Remember, Btfly came out with a Kreanga blade that wasn't even legal and that they took off the market a few months later! (It was a terrible blade for other reasons). They brought you the Boll Tricarbon, and a bunch of other losers. Of course Btfly also have created Viscaria and several other blades that would have to be on any objective list of greatest blades ever. Stiga has some of the other all-time greats too. Nobody could dispute that. They have also introduced blades that de-laminate. The problem with Soulspin is they have almost too many choices for handles, so without the test boxes how does one narrow it down? (Also, I am not sure they will send the test box to the US). From time to time I travel to that part of Germany, so I have figured the thing to do is just go there in person and get custom fitted, so to speak, as if it was a suit. I will definitely do that one of these days. By the way, Soulspin offers every blade they sell in three different head sizes! Who else does that? (Nobody). And they don't just allow you to choose handle shapes (including asymmetric handles, which is kind of their specialty) they also give you multiple choices for handle material, so you can adjust overall weight and weight balance. Heavy handles can be chosen reduce head heaviness by selecting a given handle cap made from denser wood. Again, who else lets you do that? (Absolutely nobody). Lack of expertise? The guy who started the company had decades of expertise working for several other blade companies. As for Btfly, I think they have discontinued making special custom blades for ordinary people, unless that has changed in the last couple of months. My results going that route were not happy, but I may not have been specific enough with what I requested from them. |
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Baal
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Jasonh, I can't speak to any of those rubbers made by the Daiki factory except for Karis.
I can compare Karis to some ESN rubbers like MX-P or EL-P. Karis has no smell of booster at all, and it doesn't play at all like a boosted rubber. It domes a little out of the package so I am not going to claim with absolute certainty that it does not have some additive to the sponge, but it it does, it doesn't have any of the usual booster smells. The most notable thing about Karis is the extremely short pips. The topsheet is not shiny, it is a quite dull color. Nicely grippy, though. From the photo Mantra looks like that too, but I don't notice the lines in Karis. Regarding the sponge of Karis, compared to what I have used for the last decade (T05 and MX-P) it has very small pores. Makes it a lot easier to glue down. Very very easy to cut, also. |
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Jasonh
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Thanks for the comparison, would you regard Karis as a rubber focusing on spin and control? That's what I am looking for for my backhand rubber. My apologies for the harsh conclusion, some of those I have played or got some feedback from friends are Airoc, Regilis Blue and Flyatt Spin. One mentioned about the bad smell of Regilis Blue, and both Airoc and Regilis do shrink. Flyatt Spin, compared to its predecessors, has shorter pips, too. I haven't seen anyone using Karis yet but sounds pretty awesome.
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Baal
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Definitely a control rubber. Spinny enough.
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yogi_bear
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itc powercell mp is also from daiki and similar to karis hard sponge and mantra
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piligrim
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OSP? |
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TT newbie
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Aliexpress. Their blades are so fake that it´s impossible to get two identical shapes...
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*_strataras_*
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ttspirit I didnt say to Andysmith that he is right about your conversation. I said he is right for bluefire, that it is made in europe and not in japan.(if you check the previous posts you will see) You missunderstood my post. So...dont get mad with me
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Baal
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Oops. I'm an idiot. Yes. OSP and Soulspin. |
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AMonteiro
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Donic Dyjas Ultra Power (based on Jakub's blade / 7 ply Clipper like)
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Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
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AndySmith
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Already on the list. |
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Ray
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Blades:
Xiom Musa Euro Xiom Musa Asia Rubber: Xiom Musa III Edited by Ray - 01/27/2017 at 7:47am |
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AndySmith
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Good find. Musa III has been out for a while in the asian market, as well as Musa III China. Also, from the xiom.co.jp site, new rubbers: Vega Intro Vega Def Omega II Love (??? A valentine's special perhaps...) Omega II x The blades are interesting: Musa Euro - 7 ply - koto outer - made in korea Musa Asia - 5 ply - limba outer - made in korea Xiom don't make it easy to google their stuff when they keep re-using rubber names for their blades... They also seem to have a Zeta Allround now to go with the Zeta Off and Off+ from last year. Another 5-ply limba, made in china most likely.
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Jasonh
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WWWWWWHHHHHHHHAAAAAATTT???????
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AndySmith
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Yeah, it could well be a bit of crazy google translate madness there. But I like it regardless.
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TurboZ
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DHS is giving us Gold Arc 5 and 8. Made in Germany and developed with the help of WLQ and Ma Long. Package is very Chinese New Year with a Red and Gold theme. Both have BIOS logo on package but Tensor logo on GA8 only.
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AndySmith
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That's very surprising! A bold move if true. Any links? Not to worry - I've found them: http://www.ttshop.cn/goods.asp?id=12957 http://www.ttshop.cn/goods.asp?id=12956 Wow, eh? So, GA5 is cheaper (£20-ish), non-tensor, slight confusion on the sponge hardness (pic says 47.5, description says 42.5). GA8 is more expensive (£29-ish), tensor, 47.5 degrees. I guess both are non-tacky?
Edited by AndySmith - 02/02/2017 at 7:20am |
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TurboZ
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Yes they are non-tacky Euro style rubber. GA5 has a choice of 42.5 and 47.5 in hardness. GA8 has 47.5 and 50. They said GA5 is meant for BH and GA8 for both sides.
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AndySmith
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Well, that's just mega. I've never been able to order from ttshop.cn. Do you know anywhere else with stock? I'll give them a bash.
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TurboZ
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Probably only through a taobao agent for now. Hope TT11 will stock it soon. I have not used buychina before but they seems straight forward with clear pricing. http://www.buychina.com/products/544610579819
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AndySmith
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Awesome. I did try taobao directly but it's hard to search, for obvious reasons. Many thanks for the help!
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AndySmith
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New stuff posted on tt-spin.de from the ispo event added.
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Hans Regenkurt
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I am curios about the Joola short pips - much though I find their product and pricing ridiculous.
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