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    Posted: 01/18/2017 at 5:19pm
Hi, I'm EmRatThich, vietnamese table tennis player. Now I live in France. With my friend (chinese table tennis player), we have learned together some tips and chinese philosophy about table tennis. I would like to share some of these tips for beginner players who want to improve fast in table tennis. 

As I'm not a pro player, these tips may be not applicable to all of the level. If you are already at a very high level, you could find these tutorials not helpful, however I think it would be useful for beginner and early-intermediate player. In my previous videos, the quality of the coaching is not good enough (may be too simplified or not new for some players). I'm trying to improve a lot to give better coaching video for many new players. Feel free to comment or criticism about the video or technical aspects.

My purpose is to help new player enjoy more table tennis, as I always say to my young players:

Hope you enjoy the coaching video. See you next Sunday.
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"The first 2 key points of holding a table tennis racket has been explained in the previous video: Use the muscle group 2 to hold your racket, and a compact grip will increase the freedom of the wrist.

I will explain in this video the last keypoint in the "3 principles to have a good table tennis grip". This keypoint is the most important as it is the key of "explosiveness" in Chinese philosophy about table tennis stroke."



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Your voice was a little deeper than I expected based upon your avatar. 
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Thanks! I really enjoyed the video. I subscribed and am now checking out your other videos!
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I'm a male table tennis player. My avatar is not related to my sex ;)

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Originally posted by EmRatThich EmRatThich wrote:

I'm a male table tennis player. My avatar is not related to my sex ;)
damn, I was hoping you looked like the avatar.  all kidding aside, I do find parts of your videos informative
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Does anyone have any thoughts on this whole "tightening up" or increased grip pressure that occurs at the moment of contact?  I think the evidence presented in this video is pretty weak. If you watch Ma Long play his FH/BH transition in his instructional video, he doesn't make any of the strange faces that the author claims is evidence that this is occurring. 

There are times where I feel like I am increasing the grip pressure at contact, but I think what im really feeling is the forearm snap.  I'm curious to hear what others think, though. 
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Ringer, when I do it, I think I am just stabilizing the blade face at contact as I don't rant the blade to shake so much that I don't hold my contact angle,especially on serves.   But since I try to play with relaxed technique, I do find that the grip can feel too loose if one doesn't tighten the racket at contact.   That said this is all unconscious and if you asked me how or why I do it, other than what I have written above, I would give you a blank stsre.
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consciously tightening the grip before contact would limit or compromise the wrist snap action (no matter it is a side effect of the forearm snap or a voluntary action), cancelling out some of the work done by other muscles groups; keeping in mind a loose grip until contact and tightening in the follow through works great because the body will naturally tighten the grip right at contact: we are talking about a necessary mind trick because the grip tightening is so hard to control: too much of it means loss of efficiency.
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Does anybody want to talk about explosiveness or grip tightening with respect to chopping?  Or should we leave that sort or thing to great-grandson of Feint Long and proud descendant of P-2 Curl?

Doesn't anyone play table tennis slow and steady anymore?  Is it too late to defuse the explosiveness?  Whatever happened to making a case for the defense?

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Originally posted by Ringer84 Ringer84 wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on this whole "tightening up" or increased grip pressure that occurs at the moment of contact?  I think the evidence presented in this video is pretty weak. If you watch Ma Long play his FH/BH transition in his instructional video, he doesn't make any of the strange faces that the author claims is evidence that this is occurring. 

There are times where I feel like I am increasing the grip pressure at contact, but I think what im really feeling is the forearm snap.  I'm curious to hear what others think, though. 

not sure if using an instructional video is any stronger evidence. but if you watch slow motion replays of FZD or Jun Mizutani in match play, you definitely see the tightening reflected on their face upon impact.  mizutani might be the most obvious case. you can notice ma long tighten his lips in match play in tournaments too, but it is very subtle.

anyways, I think the tightening up on big loops or drives are natural and instinctive. i don't think it is necessarily something you do proactively in order to play better, but when you put more force in an action, the tightening up is a mechanism to gain stability in the overall movement. 
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it works as long as you have the timing right
wich is the hardest part
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It is hard for amateurs like us to time the exact moment of contact. But I feel if I tighten my grip after I snap my elbow, the shot is more stable, has more power and spin. We don't need extreme power from the tightening, but the tightening definitely provides a hard, solid paddle surface to grip the ball. I am still experimenting the tightening anyway. I thought I knew the tightening before (just like tightening the badminton racket before hitting the shuttle), but I was wrong. It is different from the tightening in badminton.
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when i hear "explosiveness" in table tennis, i picture quadri aruna

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If you are tightening the racket around the moment of contact in order to "gain stability", then it sounds to me that your grip was simply too loose to begin with when you took your backswing.  I believe you could have generated the same amount of racket head speed with a tighter grip from the very beginning.  Or where am I wrong?

I remember when I got pretty good at the Marcos Freitas trick of bouncing the ball against the side of the table and I could keep it going for over a minute.  I used to swear I was using grip pressure changes to manipulate the ball, but when I looked at the video I was actually using very small accelerations and deceleration. 


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Originally posted by Ringer84 Ringer84 wrote:

If you are tightening the racket around the moment of contact in order to "gain stability", then it sounds to me that your grip was simply too loose to begin with when you took your backswing.  I believe you could have generated the same amount of racket head speed with a tighter grip from the very beginning.  Or where am I wrong?

I remember when I got pretty good at the Marcos Freitas trick of bouncing the ball against the side of the table and I could keep it going for over a minute.  I used to swear I was using grip pressure changes to manipulate the ball, but when I looked at the video I was actually using very small accelerations and deceleration. 



My opinion is that usually, these things all happen unconsciously and talking about them in detail is a waste of time.  Fingers can make very small accelerations through grip pressure changes.  The only way you exclude these possibilities is by rigorously defining them to be mutually exclusive and then seeing whether they both occur or neither occurs.

I disagree that you could have generated the same amount of speed with a tighter grip in the beginning.  But it does depend on what kind of muscular tightness your tighter grip facilitates and the degree to which it impedes your degree to facilitate whip.  One thing to note is that some of these things are minor optimization and timing details.  But my racket is often shaking in my hand but pivoting around the thumb rest when I play both my forehand and my backhand.  IT's why I get good spin even when I lack good power.

One could say keep a relatively loose grip but tight enough to stabilize the racket and maintain it throughout the swing.

Another could say keep a pretty loose grip but tighten it more at a contact.

Let's say in theory that the second was a bit better than the first if optimally done.  That little bit might not be a lot.  OR the two could amount to the same thing.  But the key thing is that you don't get whip by being tight.  The grey areas don't mean much for what I am trying to do and I doubt it means much for you either.
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@NextLevel. Thank you Next Level for your detailled explication. It's really helpful.
As promised, I've made the video for Penholders. By collecting several footages, I want to show to the new players where to apply the pressure in the penhold grip. This can increase the quality of the shot, especially the RPB (Reverse Penhold Backhand).




Notice: I've missed one tips in the video. For the penhold backhand, as Wang Hao mentioned, the thumb is used to control the angle of the blade and the index is used to help the driving force. You should apply the pressure on the index finger for the penhold backhand grip. For the penhold forehand grip, it depends on the stroke. For the shots that require the flexibility of the wrist (such as forehand serve or the forehand flip on the table) you should apply the pressure on the index finger and release the pressure on the thumb finger as shown in the slow motion video of Ma Lin. For the forehand topspin far from the table which require a stronger guidance force, you should apply the pressure on both the thumb and the index finger to stabilize your stroke and also to add power to your forehand loop.


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EmRatThich, there are smart words in your videos, and I very liked some videos, but if you earn money from coaching tt, please invest part in mastering english ;)
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How to generate power loop against heavy backspin in table tennis. I will analyze the forehand topspin technique of Ma Long to loop kill the backspin ball from a chopper. For the underspin ball, you should attack it by using your forehand. Don't practice your backhand topspin against this ball.


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Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

EmRatThich, there are smart words in your videos, and I very liked some videos, but if you earn money from coaching tt, please invest part in mastering english ;)

Come on dude, be a sport... the guy is a Vietnamese; understands Chinese; living in France (where English is viewed as a rival culture and language there)... yet still he communicates with us using English. StarStarStarStar
Apart from just few minor mispronunciations, his English language structure is indeed very ok to me.



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Maybe garwor will enlighten us with a clip with his mastery of the queen's english.
From what I heard 'they' speak with a stiff up....
That would be niceeeee.LOL

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