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yogi_bear
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67 grams uncut Medium Soft (approx 42 degrees) Off rubber Evolution EL-S 73 grams Uncut Medium to Medium Hard Rubber Hardness Off+ The FX-S and the EL-S rubbers are the latest addition to the Evolution rubber series from Tibhar. There is almost no difference in the structures for the FX-P vs FX-S but for the EL-S and EL-P I only found 2. The EL-S has larger pores in its sponge compared to that of the EL-P rubber. The color of the EL-S is also has a lighter red color compared to the EL-P which is dark cherry red while the EL-S topsheet is reddish pink. After some testing, I have observed the following characteristics of the FX-S and EL-S. I also compared them with their predecessors EL-P and FX-P: Speed The FX-S is fast at off level but still not enough that I would consider it at off+ level. The benchmark for TIbhar off+ rubbers is still the MX-P variant. I would say the FX-S has an increased speed by 1 or 2 notches compared to the old FX-P. The EL-S speed difference with the EL-P however is very obvious. The EL-P has this observed behavior that at times the bounce seem to be not enough. Sure it is fast but there are times that I found it lacking in bounce of which the EL-S. In short, the EL-S has enough speed nowadays for it to be used instead of the MX-P. The MX-P is still faster but speed is not everything. EL-S speed, I think I can say it is as fast as Tenergy 80. Spin FX-S has an increase in the spin compared to the FX-P but I would not consider it as a significant increase. When I tried it with the Paul Drinkhall Offensive Classic and Powerspin Carbon, the arc is very low. Both the FX-P and FX-S have low throw. When I was doing my fh-fh drills and bh-bh drills, I had to adjust my bat angle to make the arc a little bit higher. One thing that I have observed with both the FX-S and El-S is that you need to hit through the sponge when you hit with it either when you are smashing or looping. The FX-S and its brother are both soft rubbers that the ball really needs to sink into the sponge in order for you to produce good spin. The EL-S has significant spin increase compared to the EL-P. The EL-P before was spinny enough especially when you brush the rubber against the ball but the EL-S seems to be easier to produce spin. The arc of the EL-S is medium to high whether you are drilling with drives or looping, the arc is high enough to clear the net. The El-S is very spinny in all aspects. The spinny pushes are very sharp even not so spinny balls when you push against them they would still be spinny enough. The loops and loop drives are the ones that the EL-S really shines. The EL-S has this kick that when you spin the ball, when it lands on the table, the ball has some sort of a sharp kick on it which is really impressive. The MX-P has this also but the MX-S has a stronger spin on attacks and speed. Overall Impressions The FX-S blocks very well in the backhand and forehand. If there is one thing the FX-S excels, it would be blocking near or far from the table because it is easy to defend with. The FX-S is good when you smash with it up to some point but the soft sponge would prevent you from further increasing the power of your shots. The EL-S is my favorite of the 2 and I am vocally biased with it. It is everything I wish for an MX-P rubber. It is as spinny but has more control and also lets you push better. Yes, it is not as fast as the MX-P but it was not designed to be faster than MX-P in the first place anyway but most of us are not in the level to use the MX-P to its fullest potentials anyway. By using the EL-S, you would use a rubber that is more tamed and controllable while offers you good spin and handling. |
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unstopabl3
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From the look of the red porous sponges, it seems these two are also heavily factory boosted right yogi? Can't wait for you to compare them against MX-P and EL-P, thanks.
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It has boosting yes but not suretoo how muchmuch. The el-s is amazing.
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unstopabl3
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Amazing in which way?
Btw which is softer, which one has more control and which one is less sensitive to incoming spin? I'm looking for an alternative for EL-P on the BH, something which has same control and same insensitivity to incoming spin and same playing characteristics but is faster or punches. Edited by unstopabl3 - 01/28/2017 at 10:14am |
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EL-S is faster than EL-P with the same level of control, but to be honest, it's still not that fast. definitely not tenergy or MX-P fast
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unstopabl3
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Thanks, I don't really need that fast rubber on my passive BH anyways, seems like I will give EL-S a try soon :P |
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Hans Regenkurt
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I have got hold of my ELS and tried it on Friday with a Joola Flash, TSP 40+ training ball and DHS *** cell balls.
It is a remarkable rubber and what struck me is its good usability with the Flash which is difficult to push and receive. The ELS's relative lack of spring made it look a very promising rubber with this kind of plastic ball and it looped very well too. I am yet to try it with others. One thing is sure, the price / value ratio is very good and the competition has to come up with some very good rubbers if they do not want to lose market. |
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unstopabl3
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Have you tried EL-P and MX-P hans? Can you compare them with EL-S? |
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Hans Regenkurt
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Here is the short answer:
Speed: MXP>ELS>ELP>FXP Spin: all of them are spinny enough, the difference is the ease of creating different arches with a stroke. From this point of view: ELS (for me) > MXP > FXP > ELP Control: the ELS is the winner because it is not so springy and does not do things I do not want it to. Still it gives very good speed when needed. I had a sheet of ELP about 4 years ago but then I sold it. Although it is a completely okay rubber, I did not really like it because I felt it lacked character. That is, compared to MXP, my loops clearly lacked power and arch. I could easily vary the length and arch of my topspins with FXP, which is clearly the slowest of the three "P" family. I have found the ELP to be suitable for players who hit rather than loop. Do not get me wrong, as I said, the ELP is a usable rubber, but there are better rubbers for pure loopers. Also, I remember it has a rather springy nature, which I think is not the best for certain plastic balls. ELS is not so springy by nature, so you have to work a little harder than with MXP to produce a powerful loop. One of my teammates has MXP on one side of his racket and ELS on the other. He is technically inferior to me, he has problems reading spin and his footwork leaves a lot to be desired. He has got a crazy side-underspin serve which he follows up with a hefty hooking FH topspin. If he is up against a junk player, he is lost. He cannot read spin from anti or any kind of pips. He prefers MXP on his FH because his first loop just lands and when it does, it will not come back. Accordingly, his FH technique is not sophisticated. He cannot play well with ELS because he needs that extra spring to help the ball land. With that said, the ELS is capable of producing almost the same speed on loops and powerplay as the MXP. However, it offers a lot more in control and precision. I do not know your level but here is the essence of the comparison: MXP is better for those who are not so strong physically and like it when they do a stroke and the rubbers power helps them. Or they are strongly built but cannot loop more than 2-3 in a row. Or very advanced pro players, who need raw power. ELS is suited to those who want the speed of MXP on loops and who are technically adept but do not like it when the rubber suddenly does something unexpected for them. Also, those seeking a rubber that is not as springy in the short game as MXP. EDIT: The cost is a bit longer stroke. Edited by Hans Regenkurt - 01/29/2017 at 11:43am |
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One more thought: to me, the ELS is clearly better than any Bluefire, be it the M series or the JP.
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Thanks for your review Hans, I think I will give EL-S a try soon enough. Thanks again.
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mog1111
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I tried EL-S recently on fh after using 05fx. I did not like it that much initially. I have been EJing with H3N recently too. After using H3N for several weeks then trying EL-S I now really like it on my fh.
I am switching to it permanently. It requires a bit more input than 05fx, but this must be a good thing really. You get out what you put in. It's also so much cheaper. Damn it BREXIT. |
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updated with review
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Good review Yogi, I agree with what you say about el-s, I am used to generally softer rubbers but I am getting used to it now after a few sessions.
I found it is much better in tight play and much better in blocking than 05fx. How did you find it for serve return - reaction against incoming spin? |
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Fx-s was easier to return serves but did not have any problems with the el-s since I am already used to the mxs
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Thanks for the review. I am enjoying EL-S on my bh so far, and I'm coming from Adidas P7.
I do have one question. I have not used any of the other Evolution series rubbers. Which one has the highest throw? FdT
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I'd like to know this as well, compared to MX-P and EL-P please thanks. |
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I have not used mx-p
but I have tried el-p a bit, I would think el-s is a bit better in returning serve, a bit less bouncy a bit better for tight returns |
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I was asking yogi lol I don't think so since many reviewers including yogi have stated that it's a little livelier and bouncier and spinnier than EL-P, it's ought to be more sensitive to incoming spin. Can you confirm this yogi please? Thanks |
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I can confirm its not as musical as ELO
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Its definitely a little more sensitive to incoming spin compared to mx-p or el-p,though the extra sensitivity to spin dint transate into spinnier pushes or serves compared to the two p-rubbers. El-s sits in seat of its own to me, not a replacement to any other recent Esn rubber. |
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I do not find it significantly sensitive to incoming spin at all. For the throw, i think mxp and mxs still have the highest arc.
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Picking up my EL-S tonight, can't wait to test this one for my backup blade.
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Here is my input on ELS after playing with it for few months (compared to MXP and FXP):
Speed: MXP > ELS > FXP Spin (new): MXP > ELS > FXP Spin (after 2-3 months): ELS > MXP > FXP Control: ELS > FXP > MXP Weight: MXP > ELS > FXP Hardness: MXP > ELS > FXP What makes ELS special is the top sheet. It has loads of mechanical grip that MXP does not. I previously loved using brand new MXP because of speed and spin capabilities, but after 2-3 months of use MXP dips down in performance and needs to be reboosted, due to factory boosting wearing off. While ELS is softer than MXP, it still has that medium-hard feel overall and not as mushy as FXP. I made the switch from 2.0mm x2 MXP to 2.0mm x2 ELS primarily due to the weight because MXP still feels heavy at times. ELS feels much less spin sensitive compared to MXP and makes it easier to control in the short game. MXP is better away from the table in looping rallies. ELS doesn't need boosting after 2-3 months, but i might try to boost it after 8-9 months of usage to see how it reacts. my2cents. |
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Does EL-S not feel very hard and flat on the SSCB?
What is it like for looping on the SSCB in 2.0mm? Why 2.0mm not MAX on fh at least? |
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It feels overall medium-hard. Even though SSCB has a soft limba top ply it has a nice solid feel due to carbon layer. I use 2.0mm for more all around game and it does its job. It does bottom out at times on mid distance looping but i have no problem with that. I dont play beyond that distance due to the space at my club. I prefer 2.0mm both sides because of the balance and weight. SSCB feels abit head heavy already so i want to bring the weight lower to the handlel. I do want to try max ELS both sides eventually to see if that adds more spin capabilities.
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In reply to Dreiz... I disagree that the MX-P has more spin than EL-S when new... With very active strokes like loops, loop kills / power loops and such.... The MX-P is indeed spinnier. But in the short game, pushes and flicks the EL-S noticeably had a whole bunch more spin... Guy I was playing against couldn't return most of my flicks with the EL-S too bad I wasn't using the SSCB yet back then.. Since we had differing experiences with the spin capabilities of the EL-S perhaps it could be the thickness? as I used max... though can't say for sure as I haven't used 1.9-2.0 EL-S.
Another thing I wonder what's the 2nd ply of the SSCB is it Limba or Ayous?
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I am very close to buying 1.9-2.0mm EL-S for my backhand to pair with EL-S on my new Samsonov Force Pro Blue
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I got two sheets of EL-S in from TT11 today. Definitely less booster smell than MX-P. Pips on inside are rather small in diameter, but very columnar. Like Yogi said, sponge pores are definitely pretty big. |
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One thing that really puzzles me is that the single area where I found el-s lacked (compared to mx-p) is serves and pushes, simple short pure back or pure side spin serves were alright, but just couldn't get consistently spinny side-top or pure top serves with it, maybe it's my serving technique, but a tonne of other rubbers work really well for me.
Loved the el-s for looping and counter looping, doesn't have that unexpected extra grab that the mx-p has, hence the balls stays low on the table and kicks off pretty good on the other side. Was super easy to attack and most of the tiem finish off (since I dint need to hold back worrying abt the ball going long) long heavily loaded sidespin serves from lefties and righties as well. Kind of stupid that I changed back to mx-p just cuz of serves, maybe I'll give it another try sometime soon. |
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