|
|
Andro Rasant series - discontinued and replaced |
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Author | |||
the_theologian
Premier Member Joined: 01/11/2009 Location: U.S. Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: 03/29/2018 at 8:56pm |
||
I've skimmed this thread but my general opinion is that product lines are way too bloated.
|
|||
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
|
|||
Sponsored Links | |||
icontek
Premier Member This is FPS Doug Joined: 10/31/2006 Location: Maine, US Status: Offline Points: 5222 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Interesting. Wasn't the Bluefire line known to be pretty fragile or short lived? Even the year old sheet of rasant that I have seems pretty good.
|
|||
AndySmith
Premier Member Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4378 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
This kind of approach might be the way to go. Look at ESN from the same "generation", with the same kind of factory tuning. Evolution MX-P/EL-P, Bluefire M1/M2, Joola MAAX. Current ESN releases are just different, Rasanter really doesn't feel much like the original Rasant line at all.
|
|||
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
|
|||
Baal
Forum Moderator Joined: 01/21/2010 Location: unknown Status: Offline Points: 14335 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Eventually they will have a slower version called Rasantito. |
|||
AMonteiro
Platinum Member Joined: 01/30/2007 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2042 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
As far I remember, Rasant was 45º hardness. Did you try Bluefire M2? Both have same hardness.
|
|||
Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
|
|||
patelaaaa
Super Member Joined: 07/31/2016 Location: Jupiter Status: Offline Points: 140 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I got rasant beat 1.7 for about $25 in tt11 about a month ago. I already have a powergrip max on my fh. These are good rubbers and definition of catapult effect. sad to see them being decommissioned.
|
|||
icontek
Premier Member This is FPS Doug Joined: 10/31/2006 Location: Maine, US Status: Offline Points: 5222 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
1 year later and I am disappointed that plain old Rasant was discontinued.
I have tried Rasanter R42 and found it lacking. It does not have the classic Japanese-style feel that Rasant offers. It is not as versatile. Rasant does everything well. It is not awful at anything and is very easy and powerful for service, short game, hitting, opening loop for backhand, and can even occasionally chop. Is there another ESN rubber that is closer to Rasant than Rasanter? I do not like the feel of Rasanter on the same blade.
|
|||
col6628
Member Joined: 04/24/2016 Location: nottingham Status: Offline Points: 81 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I play with rasant pg fh, bh rasant grip 1.9 on both, I going to stay with the brand and rasanter 2.0 bh and fh, I,ve still got two new rubbers in power grip and grip.
|
|||
ericd937
Gold Member Joined: 06/01/2012 Location: Saigon, Vietnam Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
"Rasantissimo" LOL
|
|||
Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
|||
berndt_mann
Gold Member Joined: 02/02/2015 Location: Tucson, Arizona Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Rasantissimo, the rubber that does not discriminate with respect to race, religion, gender, transgender, national origin, sexual orientation, political affiliation, and species. Bringing tolerance, and extreme speed, to heretofore undreamed of possibilities.
Andro go bragh!
Edited by berndt_mann - 03/03/2017 at 9:00pm |
|||
bmann1942
Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
|||
zeio
Premier Member Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10833 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
A question here. Given that the Hexer series is the 4th-generation Tensor, what would the Rasant series be? The Rasanter series? |
|||
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
|||
ericd937
Gold Member Joined: 06/01/2012 Location: Saigon, Vietnam Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Rasantest sounds a lot better than Rasanter IMO.
Edit*** They might be saving that name for the third release of the series. I guess, they could call the fourth release "Mostest Rasanterest." Edited by ericd937 - 03/03/2017 at 7:02pm |
|||
Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
|||
berndt_mann
Gold Member Joined: 02/02/2015 Location: Tucson, Arizona Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
||
Krambambuli! So Rasant is an adverb, not an adjective, meaning "rapidly" in German. Thus Rasanter, meaning more rapidly, makes perfect sense. (Hmm. Wonder what "Tackifire" means in both Japanese and English.)
In English, I can think of offhand three synonyms for rapid: fast, speedy, and quick. All three can be made into superlatives: fastest, speediest, and quickest. Thus, though it may not be exquisite German, adverbially speaking, there is no reason in my military mind why Andro could not come up with a rubber called Rasantest, the fastest, speediest, quickest rubber this table tennis culture has yet to see.
|
|||
bmann1942
Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
|||
ericd937
Gold Member Joined: 06/01/2012 Location: Saigon, Vietnam Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Switching to a different brand wouldn't make transitioning any easier, but I still have to transition. I might as well go with a rubber that won't be discontinued when a new one comes out. Yes, I know all brands discontinue rubbers from time to time, but I highly doubt Butterfly will be discontinuing Tenergy anytime soon. Any word on when Tenergyer is coming out?
Edited by ericd937 - 03/03/2017 at 6:17pm |
|||
Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
|||
Chairman Meow
Super Member Joined: 10/04/2016 Location: Hell, Michigan Status: Offline Points: 290 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
How would switching to a different brand make the transition easier? If anything, I would stick with the same brand because they have the ability to make the new rubber more similar to the old one than other brands do. Also, IMO rubber packaging should not be a factor in deciding to buy a rubber. I get that nice packaging is appreciated, but it is the quality of the rubber that counts.
|
|||
-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
|||
ericd937
Gold Member Joined: 06/01/2012 Location: Saigon, Vietnam Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Furthermore, rapidly is an adverb. We usually ad "er" on the end of adjectives. However, as you said... it's German. I wouldn't know. I'm just telling you what I think as a native English speaker.
Edited by ericd937 - 03/03/2017 at 6:10pm |
|||
Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
|||
ericd937
Gold Member Joined: 06/01/2012 Location: Saigon, Vietnam Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
If rasant means rapidly, then rasanter would mean rapidlyer. See what I mean?
|
|||
Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
|||
Matt Pimple
Gold Member Joined: 12/03/2012 Location: Phoenix Status: Offline Points: 1995 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I doesn't sound dumb, at least not if you know German. "Rasant" means "rapidly" and "Rasanter" means "more rapidly". |
|||
ericd937
Gold Member Joined: 06/01/2012 Location: Saigon, Vietnam Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I've been playing Rasant Grip on my backhand for more than 2 years. This kind of pisses me off. I might switch to another brand. Last time I changed my short pimples, it took me about 4 weeks to really get zoned in with the new rubber. I don't really feel like doing that again. Also, doesn't anyone else think the new name "Rasanter" sounds dumb? The packaging is ugly too. I don't feel excited about this.
Edited by ericd937 - 03/03/2017 at 5:21pm |
|||
Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80
Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
|||
Bjoern
Beginner Joined: 12/22/2015 Location: Dortmund Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Well, we have players and retailers worldwide complaining about rubber ranges, which are growing year by year. Only players, who are really deep into table tennis and who have knowledge about products, are able to choose their rubbers and blades on their own without asking shop owners for help. Retailers nowadays refuse to offer all products of a single brand, because it is just too much to handle for them. We do not see any reason, why we should go on like this. Compared to other sports, table tennis is the only market in which brands are just putting more and more products on the market, while they are struggling to cancel older products in order to make their range easier to understand. With Rasanter we are convinced, that we are offering a rubber, which provides big advantages to former Rasant players but also to an even bigger group of players. So, with view to these facts: There is no sense in going on with a good rubber (Rasant), when you already have a better rubber (Rasanter) for minimum the same group of players. |
|||
pgpg
Gold Member Joined: 11/18/2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1306 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
@Bjoern Genuinely curious - in your opinion what are the target groups for Hexer and Rasant? Hope it's not considered proprietary info.
|
|||
USATT: ~1810
Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX |
|||
haggisv
Forum Moderator Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5104 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
So just to clarify, Rasant will be discontinued because Rasanter is much better, but because Rasant was so successful, Andro will not delete it from ITTF approval? I cannot see the logic in removing a product that is supposedly successful, even if they make a 'better' product. I also know from personal experience that no new rubber is better in every way...it will be better for some, and worse for others. Anyway, Andro is a smart company that must have good reasons, but I suspect there may be a little more to it than just discontinuing Rasant because Rasanter is 'better'. |
|||
Bjoern
Beginner Joined: 12/22/2015 Location: Dortmund Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
The decision to stop the ITTF approval for a rubber is usually made by the brand. In this certain case: Don't worry. Rasant was/is such a successful rubber, that it would not make sense to directly delete the ITTF approval. |
|||
zeio
Premier Member Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10833 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
I only wish for the various European brands to refrain from branching off any particular model so much. Look at Xiom. It is a total mess.
I lost the interest to try out the Rasant series simply because of that, after what happened to the Hexer series. It gives off the sensation of beta-testing by paying end-users. |
|||
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
|||
haggisv
Forum Moderator Dark Knight Joined: 06/28/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5104 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
How long after a rubber is discontinued will it be removed from the LARC?
I think that for the benefit of the consumers, a manufacturer should ensure that even though a rubber is discontinued, it should remain legal for at least a year or two. |
|||
zeio
Premier Member Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10833 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Hexer > Hexer+ > Hexer Duro > Hexer Powersponge > Hexer HD > Hexer Ultra? Hexer 4K? Hexer 8K?
Edited by zeio - 02/22/2017 at 9:33am |
|||
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
|||
Baal
Forum Moderator Joined: 01/21/2010 Location: unknown Status: Offline Points: 14335 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Hexidope. Hexiest. Herxerama. Hexerific. Hexeriferous. Hexominable.
On a more serious note, I am really fascinated by the concept of reducing pip length dramatically and matching topsheet hardness to undelying sponge. I hope manufacturers can provide info on the pips in their future marketing info. |
|||
Bjoern
Beginner Joined: 12/22/2015 Location: Dortmund Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Hexer is no adjective in German language. So this idea does not work unfortunately.
But I am sure, that in case we decide to update Hexer in the future, we are able to find any other new name that makes it into discussions. ;-) |
|||
berndt_mann
Gold Member Joined: 02/02/2015 Location: Tucson, Arizona Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
||
Again, not that I give a flying pomegranate, but if the choice is ever made to discontinue Hexer, what's gonna replace it? Hexest?
|
|||
bmann1942
Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
|||
slevin
Premier Member Joined: 03/15/2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3602 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||
Also, I wonder if the Donic Blues T1 is similar in design to the Rasanter and the Karis as it too has comparatively short pips on the inverted topsheet:
|
|||
Trade feedback:
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
|||
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Forum Home | Go to the Forums | Forum Help | Disclaimer
MyTableTennis.NET is the trading name of Alex Table Tennis Ltd. |